UK Royal Navy's Daring has an "amazing" experience with US Navy Aircraft Carriers
The are extrordinary vessels. Originally they were to be a part of the Horizon project with France, Italy and the UK.
The UK dropped out midway through preferring to do their own version of a number of the battle management and sensors, while the French and Italians moved on. Basically, the UK uses the Sampson system while the French and Italians use the Thales system.
Originally the UK was going to build like 14 of these...then 12, then 8, and now they ended up with six.
This type of vessel fits very well into the US order of battle for training manuevers like this, or, if called upon, in a combat situation. They are basically like the US AEGIS destroyers...but have fewer missiles. They have a newer 3-D radar and battle management...and there is a lot of debate on which is "best." Some believe AEGIS because of the upgrades and the many, many years of experience we have with it, is probably the best, but the Daribng class Aster missiles, Sampson System, and PAAMS sensors are very, very good.
Too bad they didn't build at least 12 of them. Oh well, perhaps another election will re-open the lines.
By the way, the Italians and French ultimately built two each of their Horizon destroyers which are very similar in looks and capability. Both those nations, like the UK are now building their modern frigates which will basically be miniature versions of these vessels and they will build those in much larger numbers because they are cheaper.
You can see each type of the larger destroyers and a full explanation and specification on them at:
Here are som pics:
The US Navy have built approaching 65 Burke class destroyers and also have 22 AEGIS class cruisers, a total of 87 vessels.
In the whole world, a total of five other nations have built a total of 19 AEGIS vessels, five different nations have built a total of 23 AEGIS-like vessels. So the US has 87 AEGIS vessels, and the whole world has 42 AEIGIS or AEGIS-like vessels. Pretty telling numbers.
One of the big issues with the Daring class, is that due to mismangagement and fund cutting by the liberal government, in addition to far fewer vessels, the class has been launched and put into service without their onboard ASW weapons (outside of the helo), and without their principle Anti-surface Warfare (ASuW) missiles. Basically they have their helo, their main gun and the anit-air defenses...those last being their principle purpose. But it is still sad that the Royal Navy had to send these vessels to sea without their full self-defense and attack capabilities.
They are experiencing similar debacles with their new carriers,
Royal Navy said:
Daring enjoys ‘truly amazing’ experience working with American carriers
20/03/2012
Britain’s most advanced warship, HMS Daring, has worked with two American aircraft carrier groups as her Gulf mission steps up a gear. The new destroyer has been showing off her air defence and fighter control prowess with the USS Carl Vinson and Abraham Lincoln and their task groups.
Turning away from the most powerful surface ship in the world is the most advanced warship in the Royal Navy.
On her maiden deployment, HMS Daring has worked with not one but two US Carrier Strike Groups – here the USS Carl Vinson, but also her sister Abraham Lincoln.
The Portsmouth-based warship – the first of six cutting-edge Type 45 destroyers – has been exercising with both 100,000-ton flattops as she integrates with our closest allies.
That integration has taken the form of swapping sailors with several American ships, notably cruisers USS Cape St George and Bunker Hill, as well as the two carriers, allowing the two navies to share expertise and ideas and forge good working relationships.
The Carl Vinson leads US Carrier Strike Group One, while the Lincoln is the flagship of Group Nine (there are 11 such groups in all, comprising one carrier, one cruiser, two destroyers, one hunter-killer submarine and a support ship, plus an air group of more than 60 jets, helicopters and pistol-engined aircraft).
The culmination of this effort was HMS Daring working fully with the Carl Vinson and her impressive air wing of fast jets.
The Sampson radar (the spiky spinning egg atop Daring’s main mast) and command and control system allow multiple targets to be tracked to ranges of up to hundreds of kilometres. That information is fed to the Aster missiles in the silo on the ship’s forecastle.
With the Long Range Radar (the large black slab just forward of the ship’s hangar) it means Daring can track many thousands of air contacts giving her unprecedented surveillance of huge areas of air space.
Which means that she is a valuable asset for a US Carrier Strike Group providing such a comprehensive air picture of the complex Gulf airspace.
“Working with the US carriers and their air wings is the culmination of many months of training and hard work for the ship’s company,” explained Lt David Berry, one of two fighter controllers aboard Daring.
“For me, this is the pinnacle of my fighter controlling career and it is truly amazing to watch it all come together in this operational theatre.
...read full report
The are extrordinary vessels. Originally they were to be a part of the Horizon project with France, Italy and the UK.
The UK dropped out midway through preferring to do their own version of a number of the battle management and sensors, while the French and Italians moved on. Basically, the UK uses the Sampson system while the French and Italians use the Thales system.
Originally the UK was going to build like 14 of these...then 12, then 8, and now they ended up with six.
This type of vessel fits very well into the US order of battle for training manuevers like this, or, if called upon, in a combat situation. They are basically like the US AEGIS destroyers...but have fewer missiles. They have a newer 3-D radar and battle management...and there is a lot of debate on which is "best." Some believe AEGIS because of the upgrades and the many, many years of experience we have with it, is probably the best, but the Daribng class Aster missiles, Sampson System, and PAAMS sensors are very, very good.
Too bad they didn't build at least 12 of them. Oh well, perhaps another election will re-open the lines.
By the way, the Italians and French ultimately built two each of their Horizon destroyers which are very similar in looks and capability. Both those nations, like the UK are now building their modern frigates which will basically be miniature versions of these vessels and they will build those in much larger numbers because they are cheaper.
You can see each type of the larger destroyers and a full explanation and specification on them at:
Here are som pics:
The US Navy have built approaching 65 Burke class destroyers and also have 22 AEGIS class cruisers, a total of 87 vessels.
In the whole world, a total of five other nations have built a total of 19 AEGIS vessels, five different nations have built a total of 23 AEGIS-like vessels. So the US has 87 AEGIS vessels, and the whole world has 42 AEIGIS or AEGIS-like vessels. Pretty telling numbers.
One of the big issues with the Daring class, is that due to mismangagement and fund cutting by the liberal government, in addition to far fewer vessels, the class has been launched and put into service without their onboard ASW weapons (outside of the helo), and without their principle Anti-surface Warfare (ASuW) missiles. Basically they have their helo, their main gun and the anit-air defenses...those last being their principle purpose. But it is still sad that the Royal Navy had to send these vessels to sea without their full self-defense and attack capabilities.
They are experiencing similar debacles with their new carriers,
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