The Royal Navy's Type 45 Destroyer

Obi Wan Russell

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It is not within the power of the UK Government to 'Hand Back' the Falklands to anyone, the wishes of the Islanders themselves are paramount. Something many seem to overlook (particularly the Argentines). Walk around Port Stanley and you'd think you were in a Cornish village, and having met a few ex pat Falklanders over the years they most definately see themselves as British Citizens living on 'British Isles' which may be separated from the rest of the British Isles geographically are nonetheless permanently attached to Britain! Hong Kong was different, the colony was not British owned but Leased and the lease ran out; the population were not ethnically British (like the Falklanders), but Chinese who had been happy to live under British Rule (and would probably have preferred to stay so), but weren't given the option. The United Nations upholds the right to self determination of a population, and until such time as the people of the Falklands decide to become Argentine their will be no transfer of Sovreignty.

As for Scottish Independence, who says we'll let them have the oil anyway? The SNP know they'll never get a majority vote for Independence, that's why they slipped in their REAL goal, Devo-Max! It's all about maximising their political power whilst offloading the responsibilities (Defence, the budget deficit, froeign affairs) to the sassenachs doon Seouth!
 

delft

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Just one correction - only the New Territories were leased. But after losing those Hong Kong would have been severely handicapped.
 
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Red___Sword

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May I ask, that if trace bloodlines (no offence intented), before there's a profit-driven political vote to decide which country's citizenship you want to take - were the inhabitants British immigrants or Argentina immigrants? (Just a brainstorm idea)

Look, we don't assume IF Corsicans wishes to hold some other citizenship (if someone offers) so that Corsica is not French, or IF Québecans wishes to hold some other citizenship (if someone offers) so that Québec is not Canadian. I don't intent to "judge" Falklands island belongs to who outright, but in this case one should use some "not-bite-your-ass-in-another-day" points as evidence.

But OK, it is jungle rule out there after all, I have enough respect of that. Like some pointed out, if it is military power keeps Falklands fall into the wrong hand - the upkeep will have the final say.
 

antiterror13

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The ship has already been bought so there is no additional cost from building her or from her maintenance. And she would still have a crew and still use fuel. But this is not about 3000 people, this is about oil under the ocean around the islands. The people would be about as happy, perhaps even more, as citizens of Argentina and they could still speak English as other Argentinians still speak Welsh, even after several generations.

You don't understand it, do you ? ... if it is the case it means The UK would need one less Type 45. The operation and maintenance of the ship would be way more than the total GDP. Oil in Falkland ? .. War is coming !
 

delft

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The Falklands were, according to the treaty of Tordesillas (1494) between pope Alexander VI, Castillia and Portugal that divided everything outside Europe between these two countries :), Spanish when they were taken by the Royal Navy in the 18th century. However the colonists send there left again and new colonists, apparently from St. Malo in North Western France settled on them. Hence the Argentinian name Las Malvinas. The Royal Navy returned in 1832 and deported everyone to Buenos Ayres. That would now be called ethnic cleansing. New colonists from England were introduced to keep sheep, which must have been economically marginal, but the main port, Port Stanley, was a useful base to the RN, especially after it started to use steam power. Thirty years ago it was taken by Argentina but taken back by Great Britain. Only then did the economy start to profit from fishing permits in its Economic Zone and soon it will, probably, profit from the production of oil.
 
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bd popeye

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Need I remind everyone..

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Let's get back to discussing the magnificent Type 45 destroyer

bd popeye super moderator
 

Jeff Head

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Citizens living on 'British Isles' which may be separated from the rest of the British Isles geographically are nonetheless permanently attached to Britain! ... until such time as the people of the Falklands decide to become Argentine their will be no transfer of Sovreignty.
I still wish the UK had built more than six Darings.

I also bet you wish you had an aircraft capable Illustrious to send down there in case of need.

The Illustrious fully outfitted with Harriers, with two Darings and a couple of Trafalgar SSNs would be more than the Argentines could hope to handle. Throw in the Ocean full of troops for good measure and a couple of frigate escorts too then.

It will be good to sea the RN get back to that type of capability a few years hence.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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We were supposed to get twelve type 45s, to replace the type 42s on one for one basis. Lusty can still operate Harriers, we just don't have any left now they have been sold to the USMC. The Darings will still I believe prove their quality in the coming years, and we shall see their critics silenced by a dose of reality!
 

bd popeye

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Lusty can still operate Harriers, we just don't have any left now they have been sold to the USMC.

Obi Wan, I demand that you go to Parliament and have them move to have USMC Sea Harriers deployed on Lusty like in 2007..No problem..right??
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Obi Wan, I demand that you go to Parliament and have them move to have USMC Sea Harriers deployed on Lusty like in 2007..No problem..right??

I wish! I would certainly like to see the US 'lean' on the UK government to schedule more cross decking deployments like the one you mention. If USAF units can be permanently based at RAF airfields in the UK I see no reason why we don't welcome USMC Harriers aboard Lusty for the next few years. Win win all round I think!

There was a big story in the UK press today about how the UK government begged to be included in the USN gulf task group (USS Abraham Lincoln and escorts) after the French were invited and we were going to be left out. Cameron's Chckens are coming home to roost! Right now I think the UK Government needs to be humiliated on something like this, to show them beyond a shadow of a doubt that their defence cuts were wrong.
 
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