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supercat

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Our Chinese beat their Chinese?

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Is the lone white guy of Russian descent?
This American championship is probably an aberration. China won the previous 5 in a row, and China probably will win the next 5 in a row.
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Biden stepped down.
Meanwhile, Kamala Harris being like:

Most Westerners are brainwashed sheeple - they just don't know better. BTW, China has a 5,000-year civilization.

Wait until China builds a lunar research station.
 

valysre

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Most Westerners are brainwashed sheeple - they just don't know better. BTW, China has a 5,000-year civilization.
In fairness, the argument on creativity is not entirely without merit. If I recall my history correctly, Confucius or a notable of the 儒家 authored a change in the expression of music in China, I believe by restricting musical expression to a set ritualistic form.
Of course, when we see the works of 李白 or 杜甫, we see that this "China has no creativity because of authoritarianist culture of respect for order" is complete bull.
Personally however, I will say that labelling CCP as 后清 is not entirely without merit, and there is a degree of surpression of creative expression in China at the moment. There has been improvement in recent years.
 

Chevalier

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You might be more 'Chinese' than I am, and for that I am slightly jealous. You must have excellent Chinese reading / writing skills.
This may sound harsh but I see white friends as second tier friends due to being mutually less dependable and relatable, and I never talk about anything politics related.
it’s definitely inherent in Anglo culture to perceive friends and even family members are tools to be used, such that they kick their own children out of home at age 18, that Wang Huning pointed out in “America Against America”, was set to be the fractious seed of American civil discontent. You see it even now where boomer parents are reverse mortgaging their homes and leaving their kids with nothing, and then complain when their kids no longer speak to them.

This is distinguished from certain continental European cultures which place great significance on relationships and family ties. In fact I find more commonality dating European girls over dating Anglo girls, and their values are very similar to Chinese girls.
It's ok to adopt practices and behaviors that just work for a given scenario - remember that at end of the day what you receive for it is for your own benefit. It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice. Even if that cat makes you feel slightly <insert adjective>, just think - would you rather the benefit goes to yourself or to someone that is actually disgusting?
I'd agree, but in my experience i find that the performative actions that these insecure white people want from Asians: obsequiousness, scraping, fat, asexual, self deprecating eats into your soul and moreover why should you have to undergo with ritual? If it's something quick that'll get them off your back, sure but if it's a constant exercise where they expect you to kowtow to them day in and day out, your subconscious is going to remember and assume that you really are that obsequious, servile, slave and it will seep into your psyche and self image.

Why for example, do the zionist anglo ruling elite place a big deal on humiliation rituals of their celebrity and politician pets? Because they understand the power of ritual, that Confucius and the ancient Chinese understood. When foreign politicians go to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem and don a Kippah and pay homage to the zionist jews as a polity (because that's what it is), it cements into that individual's mind that they are the supplicant, and the zionist anglo is their land and master. Why do images like the surrendering japanese bowing to americans on an US carrier have such a powerful impact on the american people and the japanese people such that the japanese people assume the service position?
Such is the power of rituals.
 

Elevenz

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Four Chinese an Indian and a white guy who dragged the rest of the team’s scores down.

I’m more surprised by India’s 4th place, looks like they’re getting better quickly and having that huge young population does have benefits.
India has had good demographics for how many decades now? Is their strong performance a sign of the strengthening of the country? Or is it just some contest that doesn’t really mean much? China has been dominating the IMO since they started competing in the 80s. Was China already a superpower by then?

In 1998 India won 3 golds and 3 silvers. Basically the same achievement as the 4 golds, 1 silver, and a HM that it got this time. Would you be hyping up Indian 1998? Is it them massively improving since then or is it more likely to be an irrelevant contest?

Thailand has participated the same amount of times as India and yet has almost double the golds. North Korea has participated less than half the times that India has but has almost double the golds. Clearly the human capital is very high for these countries as even with a much tinier population and low levels of development, they can still field so many talents. Their futures must be very bright since contests seem to be directly correlated to national development.

I don’t think it’s good to make narratives about events like this.People should not read too much into it. It’s a contest where you only need up to 6 competent high school students. If we want to extrapolate contests to national development, then it’s honestly kind of a joke that India was not able to get a similar level of winning that China did. But at the end of the day, I don’t think these contests really matter that much if the country can actually properly educate and keep its people.

On a side note, IMO is one of the most disappointing contests when you find out these very clearly talented young people get sucked into finance. Most of the Chinese winners (and the rest of them) just end up in some useless quant firm.
 

ougoah

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In fairness, the argument on creativity is not entirely without merit. If I recall my history correctly, Confucius or a notable of the 儒家 authored a change in the expression of music in China, I believe by restricting musical expression to a set ritualistic form.
Of course, when we see the works of 李白 or 杜甫, we see that this "China has no creativity because of authoritarianist culture of respect for order" is complete bull.
Personally however, I will say that labelling CCP as 后清 is not entirely without merit, and there is a degree of surpression of creative expression in China at the moment. There has been improvement in recent years.

Exactly. The truth is somewhere in between. Although I would disagree with the racists' generalisations that non-white peoples have less creativity as some absolute truth. The reality is Chinese people can and are creative under similar and different circumstances. It's just that modern China's culture and society encourages conformity. Chinese people raised and living in the West often don't experience as much social pressure to conform and are often more likely to display creativity.

The issue they've missed is that conformity has its unique advantages too. Too much creativity, or rather too much of the "qualities" that encourage creativity is conversely often a bad thing for a society. Too many gender related debates produced.

On balance, China could probably loosen up a bit especially with regards to its higher end. With prosperity come social economic safety nets and people becoming more daring. This lever does however result in greater instability. China's gearing at the moment is arguably more effective than how the West is geared - way too much room for "creativity" and not enough for organisation and focus. China has a creative pool and it is able to extract some benefit of others doing this part for its own benefit too. The racists call this the "stealing" part of the equation lmao. In reality, it is able to offshore a lot of resource intensive risk taking. So China's very cunningly hedged its limited resources pretty well imo.

As for genetic basis. That's a major LOL. Chinese people are inherently as capable as any other human. There shouldn't be any doubt to this unless you're programmed to think with debilitating racism. As a note, Chinese should not underestimate Indians. It's not Indian intelligence or creativity that is lacking though. India is a much poorer organised society. It is simply not running even as effectively as Western nations post 2010s. Not to mention a much more severe lacking of material wealth which promotes industry, risk taking etc.

Westerners who believe in this exceptionalism are typically not well educated or knowledgeable about science, history and the inventions of mankind throughout existence. More importantly, how trade and sharing of knowledge and ideas have absolutely been to the benefit of separate groups.
 

tygyg1111

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I'd agree, but in my experience i find that the performative actions that these insecure white people want from Asians: obsequiousness, scraping, fat, asexual, self deprecating eats into your soul and moreover why should you have to undergo with ritual? If it's something quick that'll get them off your back, sure but if it's a constant exercise where they expect you to kowtow to them day in and day out, your subconscious is going to remember and assume that you really are that obsequious, servile, slave and it will seep into your psyche and self image.
This is where I disagree - you don't need to prostrate yourself, and you don't need to 'ask permission' to win. You can get all you want by standing your ground, making sure you have a good response to all potential attacking points, and most importantly - reading the room. You don't need to be scraping, fat, asexual, and self deprecating (which the vast majority of self respecting people aren't), you can literally be the exact opposite but provided you know how to play your hand. Don't typecast yourself.

I feel you might take them and some things a bit too seriously, and maybe need to learn to play the crowd a bit more - i.e. if in an all hand meeting you get called out for some BS item, which in reality is a buck pass to avoid blame, if you can shut it down forcefully without coming across as combative or obstructive or giving in, you win some real points and get quietly tipped for future leadership roles. If you just give way and display an obsequious, scraping, fat, asexual, self deprecating attitude, you quickly lose the respect of the room, which you then need to work hard to overcome.

I feel that this kind of thinking is what shackles a lot of people to stay below a certain level, and I see this amongst many technical people of various backgrounds, and the core issue is more a matter of interpersonal awareness and political savvy. I've seen several people (various backgrounds) get themselves fired, pipped or relegated to some out of the way dead end role for saying the wrong things at the wrong times to the wrong people.

I get tech fields may be different to finance, but I don't think it's that different. Promotions, etc. are still highly political, and to move up you need a reasonably good EQ and interpersonal ability.
Just play the game better to win the prize, but don't ever bow for a treat. The real wins are taken, not asked for and given with permission.

I am saying all of this because mid to mid-high level roles are not as inaccessible as some might think, and I don't want people to typecast themselves. I get this is an online military forum where most people might not be interested in pursuing those types of roles anyway, but I need everyone to know that you can't be defeated unless you allow yourself to be mentally defeated. Stand your ground, never give up, bang some chicks and kick some ass. Corny I know, but it felt right.

Edit: also work out, play sport and get ripped, it will do wonders for confidence.
 
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