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For many younger generations that I met in recent years, many of them do want to go back to China and most of them did. Often it is their parents that want them to stay in the US. EU, Australia, Canada, or New Zealand.

As for many others, no one can speak for others. Many Asians and Chinese Americans view the US as their home and want to stay here and contribute.

For others, they have a career and many assets in their host countries that it is difficult for them to simply pack up and leave.

For some, leaving is not a problem and can do so in any minute when they perceive staying is no more beneficial and danger.

However, it doesn't change the fact that the US has become much more danger for many Chinese Americans. And many of them need to change their living pattern such as no more subway commute or avoid jogging and running in certain area.

For others like me, we find a career that pays in non-USD/EUR/GBP/AUD currencies without income impact and reduce our asset holdings in US. May not be applicable to everyone but this is one way of doing this.

My personal hot take is: as an Asian, if you are going to live abroad , the US is so far the best place you could choose, it’s not perfect especially nowadays, but the US in bad shape is still infinitely better than any other “western” countries.

As an Asian with career on both world, the quality of life in many Asian countries are approaching or perhaps surpass the US/western standard of living, I wouldn't count any other "western" countries out.
 
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bajingan

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From my experiences and this is all for the moment, it could very well change in the future. Yes there have been quite a few Chinese expats heading back to China recently. They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice. There are those of course who have to go back for family reasons. As for the ones who speak English at a professional level, and either have an advanced degree or a bachelor's from an Ivy League, I hate to break it, but most of them would prefer to stay in America.

With respect to how they feel about China, they're all proud of being Chinese and mostly speak Chinese to eachother, patronize Chinese businesses etc. But when you're older you have no priority more important than putting food on the table and simply put, patriotism doesn't put food on the table. These are some realities to acknowledge, like eventhough Chinese tech has come a long way, American tech companies are still by far more prestigious and pay way better than Chinese ones do, and then there's of course the stock option which probably needs no explanation. Let's not even talk about finance where, whatever feelings about that industry, in China thanks to Xi's common prosperity policy working in finance only pays a little better than being a waiter. So if you're a Chinese expat working at Goldman Sachs in New York, why would you ever go back to China?

As for foreign born diaspora, I'll keep it short in that they mostly identify with their birth country. And even if they don't, they don't speak Chinese very well, their relatives have all passed away, and they have no friends in China, so China means nothing to them.

Now yes, America in many ways has become a lot more dangerous for East Asians. In the future we may even see shit like internment or a fullblown Republican vs Democrats civil war. But for now, let's not exaggerate, being a Chinese in America today is not the same as being Muslim in Myanmar or even a Chinese in 1990s Indonesia. People encounter bs everyday, but that's just a part of being an adult. By and large, and I know it may seem strange considering what I've said in the past, but most people are just getting on with their lives.
Ironically when shit hits the fan, when China and US goes to war over taiwan, the assets that Chinese americans worked so hard for, will likely gets consfiscated and if they manage to escape (big if) they will likely leave with only the clothes on their back.

we have to remember when the americans released the japanese from the camps its because they are winning the WW2, but this time around they will likely lose a war against China over taiwan, there will be little appetite from both dems and republicans to show mercy on Chinese americans, in fact they will likely direct the people anger towards Chinese americans, they will likely be made scapegoat on why the mighty US lose a war against Communist China, because we have so many enemies within leaking intel and so on.

To be fair to Chinese americans they are stuck between a rock and hard place, they dont want to lose everything they worked so hard all these years in america, but they have nowhere else to go, the dilemma is no one knows when war comes between China and US, it could be next week or next decade, but it will come nevertheless as long as China exists as a power that will surpass the US

I feel for Chinese americans, to be constantly living on the edge, no guarantee of the future, i live in Australia, and most Chinese australians i know when i asked them whats the reason they are moving to australia, they always answered stability and safety. Without those your money and your jobs will be gone in an instant. But even here those things are slowly fleeting
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Ironically when shit hits the fan, when China and US goes to war over taiwan, the assets that Chinese americans worked so hard for, will likely gets consfiscated and if they manage to escape (big if) they will likely leave with only the clothes on their back.

we have to remember when the americans released the japanese from the camps its because they are winning the WW2, but this time around they will likely lose a war against China over taiwan, there will be little appetite from both dems and republicans to show mercy on Chinese americans, in fact they will likely direct the people anger towards Chinese americans, they will likely be made scapegoat on why the mighty US lose a war against Communist China, because we have so many enemies within leaking intel and so on.

To be fair to Chinese americans they are stuck between a rock and hard place, they dont want to lose everything they worked so hard all these years in america, but they have nowhere else to go, the dilemma is no one knows when war comes between China and US, it could be next week or next decade, but it will come nevertheless as long as China exists as a power that will surpass the US

I feel for Chinese americans, to be constantly living on the edge, no guarantee of the future, i live in Australia, and most Chinese australians i know when i asked them whats the reason they are moving to australia, they always answered stability and safety. Without those your money and your jobs will be gone in an instant. But even here those things are slowly fleeting
Chinese Americans should be glad to be given the opportunity to contribute their wealth to the cause. Otherwise they might be mistaken for some dirty cowards who stole their wealth and moved them abroad.
 

Strangelove

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WWF uses a Panda for its logo
Putin has banned the WWF
Putin therefore is against Panda.

Since is Panda represents China
Putin has turned on China!
Therefore the West win! Jai Hind to the mighty west!


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Putin turns on the pandas! Russia bans WWF amid civil society crackdown​


The environmental group joins a growing list of international organizations outlawed since the start of the Kremlin’s war on Ukraine.
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Moscow has barred the world’s largest wildlife conservation organization from operating in Russia over claims it is working to undermine the economy as it steps up its campaign against civil society organizations.

In a
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issued Wednesday, the prosecutor general’s office declared the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) to be “undesirable on the territory of the Russian Federation.”

The decision bars the nature protection NGO from working in the country under the terms of a 2015 law used to shut down dozens of groups since the start of Russia’s war in Ukraine.

According to Russian officials, “WWF’s initiatives are aimed at large enterprises engaged in the energy, oil and gas industries, as well as those involved in the development of mineral deposits and precious metals.”

The ruling reads: “WWF is carrying out activities to prevent industrial development of the Arctic and harnessing of natural resources in the Arctic territories,” alleging the organization could be part of a plot to help the U.S. take control of Russia’s territorial waters in the
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. No evidence was provided for the assertions.

As an environmental pressure group, the Swiss NGO has
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about the risk of Russia’s plans to dramatically increase shipping through the thawing waters of the Arctic, which experts say could do lasting damage to whale populations.

Moscow earlier this year
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Greenpeace and Norwegian environmental group
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“undesirable,” leaving the WWF as one of the few international organizations left working in the country.

Human Rights Watch has
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the use of legislation to target civil society groups as “insidious,” warning prosecutors can “ban any foreign or international group by claiming they undermine Russia’s security” with little to no due process.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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The US is really into the circus business LMFAO

But hey, think about this - If China can get another decade of breathing space to further expand, strengthen and consolidate her position and prowess on the world stage while the US is stuck in their invasion of Mexico and Cuba in exchange of losing the fentanyl business and a couple spying bases -
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Economic cutbacks making British kids shorter – study​

Cheap obesity-inducing junk food is viewed as the primary culprit

Economic cutbacks making British kids shorter – study

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British five-year-olds who grew up in the era of austerity are shorter than their peers in other developed nations by as much as 7cm (2.76in), according to data from the Non-Communicable Diseases Risk Factor Collaboration published by The Times on Tuesday.

Since 1985, when British boys and girls both ranked 69 for average height at five years out of 200 listed countries, their ranking has plummeted dramatically – to 102 for boys and 96 for girls, putting them behind countries as diverse as Canada, Kyrgyzstan, and Cuba.
Comparing the numbers to data on 19-year-olds, Professor Tim Cole of University College London’s Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health suggested to The Times that growing up in the 2010s “period of austerity” was what “clobbered the height of children in the UK.” The height of British five-year-olds peaked in 2011 at 112.8cm (44.4in) and has been falling ever since, the statistics show.

Because height is affected not just by quality and quantity of food but also stress, poverty, illness, and even sleep quality, Cole argued it is a uniquely “sensitive” indicator of living conditions. “It’s quite clear we are falling behind, relative to Europe,” he said.

“In modern Britain, the way we eat is one of the clearest markers of inequality,” former UK government food adviser Henry Dimbleby told The Times, pointing out that “children in the poorest areas of England are both fatter and significantly shorter than those in the richest areas at age ten to eleven.”

Family doctors in low-income areas have reported an “extraordinary” surge in the kind of nutritional-deficiency-borne diseases prevalent during Victorian times, Dimbleby explained. According to NHS data, 700 children are admitted to English hospitals every year with rickets, scurvy, or other forms of malnutrition, while nutrition charity The Food Foundation has found higher rates of type 2 diabetes and dental decay as well as obesity in poorer children.

A diet of cheap junk food has the peculiar quality that it can make you simultaneously overweight and undernourished.

It is not just European countries like the Netherlands and Lithuania which outperform Britain. According to the study, China and North Korea both raise taller five-year-olds than the UK. Even five-year-olds in Libya – born and raised after the NATO bombing campaign that helped to overthrow their government and turn the country into a failed state – are taller (boys) or as tall (girls) compared to their British counterparts.

Austerity has been linked to a host of socioeconomic problems in the UK, from soaring inequality to declining educational achievement. While supporters argue the program enacted in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis was necessary to rescue a floundering economy, critics have countered that the damage done outweighs any benefits.
 
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