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Bellum_Romanum

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What do you mean by this? Are you saying that well educated Chinese who choose to stay in America don't do so because of the more prestigious companies, better pay, and oppurtunities offered for career and skill advancement, but rather because the government bribes them to? Well the government doesn't and some of the extreme factions even within Biden's administration would rather they all leave.

Easy work? How is working for OpenAI or contributing to the development of Apple's Vision Pro, easy work?
You really put a caveat to some of the things you said with respect to the Chinese people living in western countries like U.S. and Canada etc. While I can relate superficially and substantively to how you described SOME OF THE CHINESE rationale and motivation for wanting to work, stay in these countries they're just your personal anecdotal opinions nothing more. Unless, you can refer to some sort of surveys and other objective polling to support your opinion then am all ears.
 

Biscuits

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What do you mean by this? Are you saying that well educated Chinese who choose to stay in America don't do so because of the more prestigious companies, better pay, and oppurtunities offered for career and skill advancement, but rather because the government bribes them to? Well the government doesn't and some of the extreme factions even within Biden's administration would rather they all leave.

Easy work? How is working for OpenAI or contributing to the development of Apple's Vision Pro, easy work?
How many percent of actual Americans get the opportunity to go to an Ivy League?

Of course those 0.01% who end up with cushy, well paid jobs aren't gonna give them up (easily). But it isn't feasible for America to pay everyone they need nearly that much.

If even just a sizeable minority of those exorbitantly paid for experts still want to leave, that reflects horribly on the American government's ability to keep talent.
 

Staedler

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From my experiences and this is all for the moment, it could very well change in the future. Yes there have been quite a few Chinese expats heading back to China recently. They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice. There are those of course who have to go back for family reasons. As for the ones who speak English at a professional level, and either have an advanced degree or a bachelor's from an Ivy League, I hate to break it, but most of them would prefer to stay in America.

With respect to how they feel about China, they're all proud of being Chinese and mostly speak Chinese to eachother, patronize Chinese businesses etc. But when you're older you have no priority more important than putting food on the table and simply put, patriotism doesn't put food on the table. These are some realities to acknowledge, like eventhough Chinese tech has come a long way, American tech companies are still by far more prestigious and pay way better than Chinese ones do, and then there's of course the stock option which probably needs no explanation. Let's not even talk about finance where, whatever feelings about that industry, in China thanks to Xi's common prosperity policy working in finance only pays a little better than being a waiter. So if you're a Chinese expat working at Goldman Sachs in New York, why would you ever go back to China?

As for foreign born diaspora, I'll keep it short in that they mostly identify with their birth country. And even if they don't, they don't speak Chinese very well, their relatives have all passed away, and they have no friends in China, so China means nothing to them.

Now yes, America in many ways has become a lot more dangerous for East Asians. In the future we may even see shit like internment or a fullblown Republican vs Democrats civil war. But for now, let's not exaggerate, being a Chinese in America today is not the same as being Muslim in Myanmar or even a Chinese in 1990s Indonesia. People encounter bs everyday, but that's just a part of being an adult. By and large, and I know it may seem strange considering what I've said in the past, but most people are just getting on with their lives.
Sorry mate, but I've worked at Goldman Sachs and I'm still going "back", although I'm not an expat. There's more to life than money once your basic needs are met.

So speak to your own biases but don't assume everyone thinks the same way
 
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56860

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From my experiences and this is all for the moment, it could very well change in the future. Yes there have been quite a few Chinese expats heading back to China recently. They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice. There are those of course who have to go back for family reasons. As for the ones who speak English at a professional level, and either have an advanced degree or a bachelor's from an Ivy League, I hate to break it, but most of them would prefer to stay in America.

With respect to how they feel about China, they're all proud of being Chinese and mostly speak Chinese to eachother, patronize Chinese businesses etc. But when you're older you have no priority more important than putting food on the table and simply put, patriotism doesn't put food on the table. These are some realities to acknowledge, like eventhough Chinese tech has come a long way, American tech companies are still by far more prestigious and pay way better than Chinese ones do, and then there's of course the stock option which probably needs no explanation. Let's not even talk about finance where, whatever feelings about that industry, in China thanks to Xi's common prosperity policy working in finance only pays a little better than being a waiter. So if you're a Chinese expat working at Goldman Sachs in New York, why would you ever go back to China?

As for foreign born diaspora, I'll keep it short in that they mostly identify with their birth country. And even if they don't, they don't speak Chinese very well, their relatives have all passed away, and they have no friends in China, so China means nothing to them.

Now yes, America in many ways has become a lot more dangerous for East Asians. In the future we may even see shit like internment or a fullblown Republican vs Democrats civil war. But for now, let's not exaggerate, being a Chinese in America today is not the same as being Muslim in Myanmar or even a Chinese in 1990s Indonesia. People encounter bs everyday, but that's just a part of being an adult. By and large, and I know it may seem strange considering what I've said in the past, but most people are just getting on with their lives.
Generalizations upon generalizations. Kindly speak for yourself and stop assuming what other people would do in a given situation.
 

H2O

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White Americans coming around to the idea that investing in low T, sub70 IQ, nepotistic, lazy, loquacious cowards to compete against the longest and greatest surviving civilisation known to man, may not have been the greatest idea of the century.

OR, they're intelligent to not be suckered into an unnecessary war where India pays in blood and treasure while the US sits back, laugh at India and profit from the sacrifice of Indian lives.


I found this interesting. Blinken's body language in Beijing:

Theater. Nothing more. They're hoping that such act would convince Beijing to support American Death Merchants.
 

TK3600

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White Americans coming around to the idea that investing in low T, sub70 IQ, nepotistic, lazy, loquacious cowards to compete against the longest and greatest surviving civilisation known to man, may not have been the greatest idea of the century.
sub70 IQ and they protect their national interest, unlike the EU vassals. The EU vassals must have negative IQ then.
 
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You really put a caveat to some of the things you said with respect to the Chinese people living in western countries like U.S. and Canada etc. While I can relate superficially and substantively to how you described SOME OF THE CHINESE rationale and motivation for wanting to work, stay in these countries they're just your personal anecdotal opinions nothing more. Unless, you can refer to some sort of surveys and other objective polling to support your opinion then am all ears.
To you and everyone else who took issue with my OP, I did say "based on my experiences" so I don't know what the beef is about. If you want to counter with whatever you got to support your POV on the topic being discussed, which for clarity is the sentiment of overseas Chinese expats in their host countries and how willing they are to return, then likewise, I'm all ears as well.
 
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