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56860

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To you and everyone else who took issue with my OP, I did say "based on my experiences" so I don't know what the beef is about. If you want to counter with whatever you got to support your POV on the topic being discussed, which for clarity is the sentiment of overseas Chinese expats in their host countries and how willing they are to return, then likewise, I'm all ears as well.
No matter how 'prestigious' American companies are or how well they pay, quality of life is still greatly dictated by social factors like healthcare, crime and infrastructure.

It doesn't matter if you bagged a 200k/year job at Goldman or Google if you have to worry about stepping on a syringe every time you leave the house.


 

Philister

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Not sure if serious. The quality of life in the US is atrocious for how rich the country is. Life expectancy, infrastructure, healthcare, crime in the US is far shittier than all but the least developed European states.
On paper , you are right, but the US is much bigger and more diverse, what if you compare California with EU nations?
Being big alone can solve 99% of the problems , if Singapore was ruled by the same unrealistic politicians, they’d disappear a long time ago, but no, the US is big enough to take a punch and live with it.
 

56860

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On paper , you are right, but the US is much bigger and more diverse, what if you compare California with EU nations?
Being big alone can solve 99% of the problems , if Singapore was ruled by the same unrealistic politicians, they’d disappear a long time ago, but no, the US is big enough to take a punch and live with it.
Which part of California? California also has a lot of shitholes.

Also, if you're allowed to cherrypick the nicest US states, I'm allowed to cherrypick the nicest EU states.

For example, there's no way the quality of life in California holds a candle to the quality of life in Norway or Sweden.
 

Staedler

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To you and everyone else who took issue with my OP, I did say "based on my experiences" so I don't know what the beef is about. If you want to counter with whatever you got to support your POV on the topic being discussed, which for clarity is the sentiment of overseas Chinese expats in their host countries and how willing they are to return, then likewise, I'm all ears as well.
I responded firsty because of your assertion that only losers go back to China for non-family reasons after working in the US. That's a pretty nasty claim.

Then you mentioned that people that worked at Goldman Sachs wouldn't go back and that the foreign disapora doesn't care about China. That's 2 for 2 of my direct experience that is counter to yours. So I'm curious what your experiences actually are.

I don't know how Chinese Chinese think about these things, but my experience both as a foreign disapora and with the foreign disapora is that past a point, money matters fuck-all to QoL and happiness. What's actual felt difference between 100k/yr, 200k/yr, 400k/yr if you aren't the type to spectulate in the stock market, blow cash on cars, party every day etc.
 

Chevalier

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sub70 IQ and they protect their national interest, unlike the EU vassals. The EU vassals must have negative IQ then.
It’s not so much national interest when Indian elites already have their wealth, family and bodies in the Anglo west. What’s left in India is best defined by a commentator who said India is made up of 100mln humans and a billion plus livestock.

In fact this sense of entitlement from Indians leads them to ask stupid questions like this
Now Maitreya is not a bad contributor to Chinese media but he betrays his Indian nationalism but arrogantly presuming India is in a place to demand things of China when China has been more than generous and mature in its dealings with a double faced Anglo worshipping depot elite as the modern India
 

56860

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I responded firsty because of your assertion that only losers go back to China for non-family reasons after working in the US. That's a pretty nasty claim.

Then you mentioned that people that worked at Goldman Sachs wouldn't go back and that the foreign disapora doesn't care about China. That's 2 for 2 of my direct experience that is counter to yours. So I'm curious what your experiences actually are.

I don't know how Chinese Chinese think about these things, but my experience both as a foreign disapora and with the foreign disapora is that past a point, money matters fuck-all to QoL and happiness. What's actual felt difference between 100k/yr, 200k/yr, 400k/yr if you aren't the type to spectulate in the stock market, blow cash on cars, party every day etc.
Exactly. I know I'd probably be able to net a higher paying job in a Five Eyes country with my degree, but I'm still going back to Singapore because it's simply a far nicer place to live. The infrastructure, safety, cleanliness, sanitation, healthcare etc is leagues and leagues ahead of any western nation. China learned a lot from Singapore in terms of city-planning. A lot of the larger Chinese cities resemble Singapore nowadays.

And we haven't even got to the food yet lol.
 

Tootensky

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On paper , you are right, but the US is much bigger and more diverse, what if you compare California with EU nations?
Being big alone can solve 99% of the problems , if Singapore was ruled by the same unrealistic politicians, they’d disappear a long time ago, but no, the US is big enough to take a punch and live with it.

Which part of California? California also has a lot of shitholes.

Also, if you're allowed to cherrypick the nicest US states, I'm allowed to cherrypick the nicest EU states.

For example, there's no way the quality of life in California holds a candle to the quality of life in Norway or Sweden.
Are you guys really going to bring up California as an example of a US state with high quality of life? What, with LA, and Skid Row, and piles of crap and needles in the streets? You could maybe make an argument for it being one of the worst states (though some of the other places would be putting up a good fight). It's not a diamond with a few blemishes on it, it's a mountain of crap with a few specks of gold.
 
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No matter how 'prestigious' American companies are or how well they pay, quality of life is still greatly dictated by social factors like healthcare, crime and infrastructure.

It doesn't matter if you bagged a 200k/year job at Goldman or Google if you have to worry about stepping on a syringe every time you leave the house.


Some of the discussions is getting off onto tangents I don't want to delve into, but as for this even I have to say its time to cut it out. It was disgusting when Serpentza used to post all those videos of a part of China with a dirt road and went off in his annoying South African accent about how China as a whole is shittier than Nigeria, it'd be equally wrong to keep posting a single city bloc in LA, SF, and Philly, while beating our chests and going why the fuck does anyone still want to move to the USA even parts of Pakistan look nicer? Because as shitty as those places are, they don't paint the whole picture.

Your average immigrant engineer is more likely to congregate in a space like this for the record.




You see? That's what you call the other side of the story.

I responded firsty because of your assertion that only losers go back to China for non-family reasons after working in the US. That's a pretty nasty claim.
I think its equally nasty for you to claim that I think of these people as losers. Here is what I wrote, where did I say they were losers?
"They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice." I said they were less savy, which some people in this world just are, there's no shame in it at least from my perspective. They follow a pretty standard route of getting a job as soon as they're handed their diploma and only speak the English level necessary to interview for and perform the basics of where they work, while savvier ones go beyond that's just a simple fact. "Educated at a subpar university," which is a fact not all overseas Chinese are funneling into Stanford and UCLA, plenty of state schools have a decent sized Mainland Chinese student body. If you thought me characterizing state schools as subpar universities is too harsh, fine I'll take it back. The rest of my post was just pure reality, so I don't know what offended you. Layoffs happened, some Chinese couldn't hack it out, so they had no choice but to go back. Now to me these people have already accomplished a lot more than many of my American peers for whom the farthest they've wandered from the neighborhood they were born in is to a city three hours away. If you think the kind of people I described are losers and thus its on me to think of them as losers as well, hey that's on you.

As for the rest of your post, okay cool. That's your experience and I won't knock you for it since I don't know what kind of life you've lived.
 

56860

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Are you guys really going to bring up California as an example of a US state with high quality of life? What, with LA, and Skid Row, and piles of crap and needles in the streets? You could maybe make an argument for it being one of the worst states (though some of the other places would be putting up a good fight). It's not a diamond with a few blemishes on it, it's a mountain of crap with a few specks of gold.
Yes, which is why I asked him to specify which part of California.

California has plenty of shitholes. LA, for example, is probably the meth head capital of the world. This is no easy feat.
 
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