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From my experiences and this is all for the moment, it could very well change in the future. Yes there have been quite a few Chinese expats heading back to China recently. They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice. There are those of course who have to go back for family reasons. As for the ones who speak English at a professional level, and either have an advanced degree or a bachelor's from an Ivy League, I hate to break it, but most of them would prefer to stay in America.

With respect to how they feel about China, they're all proud of being Chinese and mostly speak Chinese to eachother, patronize Chinese businesses etc. But when you're older you have no priority more important than putting food on the table and simply put, patriotism doesn't put food on the table. These are some realities to acknowledge, like eventhough Chinese tech has come a long way, American tech companies are still by far more prestigious and pay way better than Chinese ones do, and then there's of course the stock option which probably needs no explanation. Let's not even talk about finance where, whatever feelings about that industry, in China thanks to Xi's common prosperity policy working in finance only pays a little better than being a waiter. So if you're a Chinese expat working at Goldman Sachs in New York, why would you ever go back to China?

As for foreign born diaspora, I'll keep it short in that they mostly identify with their birth country. And even if they don't, they don't speak Chinese very well, their relatives have all passed away, and they have no friends in China, so China means nothing to them.

Now yes, America in many ways has become a lot more dangerous for East Asians. In the future we may even see shit like internment or a fullblown Republican vs Democrats civil war. But for now, let's not exaggerate, being a Chinese in America today is not the same as being Muslim in Myanmar or even a Chinese in 1990s Indonesia. People encounter bs everyday, but that's just a part of being an adult. By and large, and I know it may seem strange considering what I've said in the past, but most people are just getting on with their lives.
Obviously those who are basically bribed by the government with privileges and just siphoning money off relatively easy work due to past academic merit will be the last to leave. Their equivalent in China would also be the last Americans to leave China. They occupy an easy position and may even be entirely naturalized with honorary Anglo status.

What you should consider is, can America afford to give such privileges to the majority of Chinese expats they need to keep for increased competitiveness? And the answer is, in the long term, no.
 

pmc

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If you want to know why the Middle East arabs took such a shine to China recently, perhaps this thread will explain why


Modern colonialism by the anglos is under threat simply by China existing and offering better terms
when you include Iraqi Kurdistan. Almost 30 to 40% of Iraq Oil production has Russian firms involved. and they have ways to get paid. so i wont put too much stock on this twitter.

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America is winning. China is losing. Jai American.
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It would be very dangerous for the US to underestimate China and it will be delusional to confuse it with the former USSR. There are no comparison between China and USSR economically and academically/technologically.

All South Koreans are not lapdogs of the US and Japan.

India is the land of hope, and will always be?
 

Dark Father

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That young ''move forward" leader is bad news. Joshua Wong vibes and Harvard educated so likely extremely pro US and NED funded. I do not like this development even one bit. Several more American military bases + another hostile country incoming it seems.

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Move Forward's Pita Limjaroenrat speaks, confirming that he has talked to parties including Pheu Thai, Prachachart, Thai Sang Thai and the Thai Liberal Party. He says this puts his budding coalition in line for 308 seats. He adds that he is now in talks with another small party to get to 309 seats. "With this formula, it is clear that we have a full right to form a majority government," Pita says.

He says Move Forward, Pheu Thai and other parties have already set up a transition team.

He also issues a message for the 250 military-backed senators, whose votes have the power to sway the choice of prime minister. "It is time for the 250 senators to think and decide their stance, whether they would listen to the people's wish. If they care about the people, there will be no problem" for Move Forward to eventually form a majority government.

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It would be very dangerous for the US to underestimate China and it will be delusional to confuse it with the former USSR. There are no comparison between China and USSR economically and academically/technologically.

All South Koreans are not lapdogs of the US and Japan.

India is the land of hope, and will always be?
Other countries have Copium, India has Hopium. For above all, India is a land of hope. The future of India is very bright, because good things in India happen only in the future.
 
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Obviously those who are basically bribed by the government with privileges and just siphoning money off relatively easy work due to past academic merit will be the last to leave.
What do you mean by this? Are you saying that well educated Chinese who choose to stay in America don't do so because of the more prestigious companies, better pay, and oppurtunities offered for career and skill advancement, but rather because the government bribes them to? Well the government doesn't and some of the extreme factions even within Biden's administration would rather they all leave.

Easy work? How is working for OpenAI or contributing to the development of Apple's Vision Pro, easy work?
 
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theorlonator

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What do you mean by this? Are you saying that well educated Chinese who choose to stay in America don't do so because of the more prestigious companies, better pay, and oppurtunities offered for career and skill advancement, but rather because the government bribes them to? Well the government doesn't and some of the extreme factions even within Biden's administration would rather they all leave.

Easy work? How is working for OpenAI or contributing to the development of Apple's Vision Pro, easy work?
Apple's Vision Pro fwiw
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theorlonator

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From my experiences and this is all for the moment, it could very well change in the future. Yes there have been quite a few Chinese expats heading back to China recently. They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice. There are those of course who have to go back for family reasons. As for the ones who speak English at a professional level, and either have an advanced degree or a bachelor's from an Ivy League, I hate to break it, but most of them would prefer to stay in America.

With respect to how they feel about China, they're all proud of being Chinese and mostly speak Chinese to eachother, patronize Chinese businesses etc. But when you're older you have no priority more important than putting food on the table and simply put, patriotism doesn't put food on the table. These are some realities to acknowledge, like eventhough Chinese tech has come a long way, American tech companies are still by far more prestigious and pay way better than Chinese ones do, and then there's of course the stock option which probably needs no explanation. Let's not even talk about finance where, whatever feelings about that industry, in China thanks to Xi's common prosperity policy working in finance only pays a little better than being a waiter. So if you're a Chinese expat working at Goldman Sachs in New York, why would you ever go back to China?

As for foreign born diaspora, I'll keep it short in that they mostly identify with their birth country. And even if they don't, they don't speak Chinese very well, their relatives have all passed away, and they have no friends in China, so China means nothing to them.

Now yes, America in many ways has become a lot more dangerous for East Asians. In the future we may even see shit like internment or a fullblown Republican vs Democrats civil war. But for now, let's not exaggerate, being a Chinese in America today is not the same as being Muslim in Myanmar or even a Chinese in 1990s Indonesia. People encounter bs everyday, but that's just a part of being an adult. By and large, and I know it may seem strange considering what I've said in the past, but most people are just getting on with their lives.
Chinese here will have to leave eventually even with the status quo in place because H1Bs aren't infinitely renewable and if their employer isn't sponsoring their green card, they'll leave. Additionally, we have seen many more scientists come back after this recent witch hunt. As for those who work in finance, I don't think China's government is trying really hard for them to come back. Otoh, HK's government is.
 

daifo

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All roads to the "wuhan lab" theory also points to the involvement of the US w both political parties involved lol. The more they dig on the US side, the more they realized the US was funding and participated in coronvirus research in Wuhan. The US lost any trump card they thought they had by pursuing this route.

 
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FairAndUnbiased

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From my experiences and this is all for the moment, it could very well change in the future. Yes there have been quite a few Chinese expats heading back to China recently. They mostly fall in the bracket of being less savy and educated at a subpar university, laid off from their job, not being able to find a new oppurtunity, and thus not able to get their visa in order, so they have no choice. There are those of course who have to go back for family reasons. As for the ones who speak English at a professional level, and either have an advanced degree or a bachelor's from an Ivy League, I hate to break it, but most of them would prefer to stay in America.

With respect to how they feel about China, they're all proud of being Chinese and mostly speak Chinese to eachother, patronize Chinese businesses etc. But when you're older you have no priority more important than putting food on the table and simply put, patriotism doesn't put food on the table. These are some realities to acknowledge, like eventhough Chinese tech has come a long way, American tech companies are still by far more prestigious and pay way better than Chinese ones do, and then there's of course the stock option which probably needs no explanation. Let's not even talk about finance where, whatever feelings about that industry, in China thanks to Xi's common prosperity policy working in finance only pays a little better than being a waiter. So if you're a Chinese expat working at Goldman Sachs in New York, why would you ever go back to China?

As for foreign born diaspora, I'll keep it short in that they mostly identify with their birth country. And even if they don't, they don't speak Chinese very well, their relatives have all passed away, and they have no friends in China, so China means nothing to them.

Now yes, America in many ways has become a lot more dangerous for East Asians. In the future we may even see shit like internment or a fullblown Republican vs Democrats civil war. But for now, let's not exaggerate, being a Chinese in America today is not the same as being Muslim in Myanmar or even a Chinese in 1990s Indonesia. People encounter bs everyday, but that's just a part of being an adult. By and large, and I know it may seem strange considering what I've said in the past, but most people are just getting on with their lives.
you're right. look at these less savvy scientists from shit schools being forced to go back to China. They're all useless spies that can't speak English.

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US getting rid of them is good as it clears out useless eaters. China gaining them is a burden because now they're stuck with them. jai murica.

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