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pmc

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This is pretty far off from the correct discussion, which there is a thread for but it's not here. The US and Europe have higher standards of living than the vast majority of places in the world; there are some current woes but let's not pretend that they're totally crap and falling apart.
I am pointing out that people who can pay visa fees and international airline ticket to US and Europe will not be the one that have lower standard of living in there home countries. I am sure Visa officers look at bank statements.
if Americans and Europeans would have paid visa fees with same criteria among each other. the air travel will go down considerably.
Western countries still have the majority of hard power amongst them whether it be military or economy. But because of China's rise and their relative decline, their ability to attract and retain talent has in recent terms, waned.
Airlines do not have capacity and ticket prices are record high. some of traffic from Asia is now through Europe so why you think there ability of talent has decline?. Infact with greater Korean and Japanese investments in NAFTA. you can expect to see greater human flow.
My definition of soft power is the ability to influence world events without any carrot or stick approach, both of which require firm hard power. It is to simply make people like you for who you are and therefore make concessions to you and I'm not seeing that anywhere. Everywhere I see a concession made, it was with hard power's carrot and/or stick.
now you change it to influencing world events. Are you looking at governments or individual people decisions? I dont think you have any recent survey why some one will choose one country over another and there prior wealth/ skills in home country.
 

supercat

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The point is not that US vassals accept US occupation. This can be easily accomplished - just see the quote from Goering. The point is that these bases are real threats to China once armed reunification is commenced.
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BTW, while Colby's argument is factually irrelevant, once Taiwan is taken into account, his argument becomes illogical:

Colby is such a hypocrite.

LMAO - AUKUS wants a nuclear weapons free world!

If you got a PhD degree overseas and find a job in Shanghai, now you can apply and get a Chinese green card immediately.
 
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azn_cyniq

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Well I'm just not a fan of Liu Cixin's works. I just feel that the Chinese sci-fi genre is still in its relative infancy, and there are better Chinese style sci-fi stories that are yet to be told. Just please, no more CJ7, cartoon kangaroos, and flying planets. Hopefully future writers can start telling some more mature stories. Having said that, at least the Chinese cinema is trying out new concepts. The sci-fi movies in South Korea and Russia are shameless derivatives of Hollywood films. The sci-fi movies in Bollywood are just comical.
Have you read the Three Body trilogy by Liu Cixin? In my opinion, it's quite good.
 

A potato

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With how entitled these people are in their expectations that they could force Christianity onto the Chinese people, it is expected that this would happen.
It gets even worse when the US or other western countries start sponsoring them. Their influence is worse than the ME because the ME is friendly to China while the west is not. This is why Christianity needs to be banned or carefully monitored. And honestly Ashin Wirathu is honestly right about Christians (Apparently he also fights against Christians) Just look at Korea when christens take over your country.
 
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Well I'm just not a fan of Liu Cixin's works. I just feel that the Chinese sci-fi genre is still in its relative infancy, and there are better Chinese style sci-fi stories that are yet to be told. Just please, no more CJ7, cartoon kangaroos, and flying planets. Hopefully future writers can start telling some more mature stories. Having said that, at least the Chinese cinema is trying out new concepts. The sci-fi movies in South Korea and Russia are shameless derivatives of Hollywood films. The sci-fi movies in Bollywood are just comical.
I mean that is your opinion, but you can still acknowledge the man's success. Your criticisms of the Wandering Earth franchise are warranted, since numbers do show that series almost no appeal outside of the Sinosphere, but as for Liu Cixin, selling 3.3 million copies of his books worldwide and getting a Netflix adaptation is no slouch and not something that should be dismissed, even if you personally don't like his works.

I think there's also a mindset of beggars can't be chosers. Like there are movie fans in the West saying things like how LOTR and The Godfather are some of the worst movies ever made, but the West has such a hegemony over entertainment that people can say crazy shit like that while I'm sure most countries outside of Japan, South Korea, and USA would be ecstatic to have an entertainment success on the level of those aforementioned works, but that's just me.
 
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Of course. Soft power is akin to PR/Marketing. I've already made a post about this. I can walk down most major streets in Bangkok, HCM, Kuala Lumpur Seoul, Manila etc and see countless Starbucks, McDs, KFCs, Apple etc.
While these are not political machines, they do in fact sell the 'America' brand abroad even on the subconcious level. Most folks in this world use Google, Safari, Edge, Windows, Android on a daily basis etc.
How many people use Baidu outside of PRC? And I, like billions others I'm sure wouldn't know of the name of any OS from PRC.
Perception is everything.
Well people may use Google more than Baidu, but to that if the topic here is tech rather than entertainment, then I would point out that last year TikTok surpassed Google to be the world's most visited website or how pro-Ukrainian Westerners are scrambling to get DJI drones to aid the war effort. And this is all despite China still having a GDP per capita on roughly the same level as Mexico, give China time and it'll continue to dominate other areas, which it is doing.

But as for the bigger picture, ah, another one of these discussions. I think an argument really could be made that there's no group of people more convinced that everything revolves around popular entertainment to the same level overseas born Chinese do. To that I'd like to say this.

For the past decade, Chinese Americans were fed a narrative that the single most important issue in our community was getting people with our faces prominent roles in Hollywood. Which is understandable, if you're East Asian in America you've for sure gone through bullies imitating Long Duk Dong and Leslie Chow in front of you. But fast forward to today and supposedly Chinese Americans have succeeded in their goal. Everything Everywhere All at Once won best picture at the Oscars and is considered by many film fans to be among the most deserving winners in recent memory. Plus you got Beef, American Born Chinese, you got Simu Liu. I mean, that's great and all, but just a few weeks ago a crazy neo-Nazi blew off a Korean mother's face in front of her son and states are banning our people from buying property just because of their nationality. So, shrug, thanks a lot for the guidance Chinese American civil rights leaders, making media representation the core issue of the Chinese American community while ignoring everything else sure was the right call.

Or how about this? Polls have shown that while Americans are overall negative on China, Gen Z'ers are more positive. How can that be so though? For older Americans Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan are household names, and most have seen at least one movie starring them. Gen Z'ers though maybe have heard of Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan, but by and large haven't seen any of their movies unless they're massive Kung Fu buffs. So despite one generation being more aware of celebrities of Chinese descent than the other, the opinions on China for both respective generations are completely flipped.

And plus I would like to bring a past comment I wrote that if everything revolved entertainment, it should've been Turkey or Egypt brokering Middle-East peace rather than China, since soap operas from those countries are much more popular in the region than Chinese ones. But y'all get the point. Everyone here loves to have these debates with pseudo sociological and psychological concepts, I just want to use concrete examples to ram home the point that the role entertainment products have in geopolitics shouldn't even be up for discussion.

Now look, do I want China to have media successes on the level of Game of Thrones? Yeah, it'd be great to promote such an old culture like China's abroad. Do I think China doing so is a life or death struggle akin to cracking EUV lithography? No and frankly you should not be talking geopolitics if you seriously believe that.
 
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