Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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That source isn't to be trusted and I believe the F-35 bridge has been burned.
And now the US is offering 40 new F-16's and 79 upgrade kits with 900 AAM's and 800 bombs for a whopping $20 billion...
20B is nothing.. Turkey would pay more to stay in NATO and keep its friendship with US.
Yet again that 20B has like 90% profit margin so still an OK deal for US.
That site never gets anything right. They always gossip about unrealistic stuff.
The Turkish-American relationship has reached a crossroad. The main reason for that was the U.S. support for the PKK in Syria and Turkey reacting to that with giving the Americans the middle finger being procurement of the S-400 (which gave the Americans a lame excuse to kick Turkey out of the JSF programme). Add to that the US has stopped opting for a Greek-Turkish balance in the Agean and is instead giving the Greeks a critical support. In the future the relations will likely neither break up nor ever get better.
That $20b is for Turkish and Greek orders combined.
I'm guessing the Turkish order to be around $4-4.5b(?) while the Greek one to be around 6-7, maybe 8 billion. Possibly there could also be some sales to other countries in the plan too.
Also, @sequ c'mon man, you could build an entire airforce with such an amount. Think rational. You expect a country that build its own weapons to spend that amount on foreign orders instead of investing in national resources? The entire Armed Forces' budget is around 20b ffs.
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TF-X/MMU has aslways been the main objective from the start. It was just designed/envisioned as an air superiority fighter next to the F-35 back then. Kicking off Turkey out of the F-35 has only turned the MMU into more of a multirole platform instead.
Will the TF10000 be a turbofan engine with a thrust-to-weight ratio of 9?
Comparing the TF6000/10000 combo with other similar engines like the AI-222-25/AI-322F and F124/F125 we can roughly calculate how much the afterburner adds to the weight of the base engine.
The weight difference between the F124 and F125 is 140kg. The difference between the AI-222-25 and AI-322F is 120kg. Let us take the average of these two and add 130kg to the weight of the TF6000.
How much does the TF6000 weigh? The director of TEI once said that the TF6000 has the same size and weight of the engine currently used in the Kizilelma. The Kizilelma currently uses the AI-25TLT which weighs 350kg and with extension pipe 400kg. The TF6000 is closer in length to the version without extension pipe.
Taking the average of the average(1) and best case scenario(3) we get a TWR of 9.55.
Taking the average of the best(3) and worst case scenario(2) we get a TWR of 9.03.
I believe the TF10000 will have a TWR closer to 9 then to 8, putting it in the similar category of the EJ200, M88 and F119 in terms of TWR. It'll be a solid 4.5th gen engine and with the ability of turning into a 5th generation engine for the Kizilelma by changing the nozzle petals and reducing it's thermal signature.
Further weight savings can be achieved by using composite materials in the engine which is currently being studied by TEI and a Turkish university.
Comparing the TF6000/10000 combo with other similar engines like the AI-222-25/AI-322F and F124/F125 we can roughly calculate how much the afterburner adds to the weight of the base engine.
The weight difference between the F124 and F125 is 140kg. The difference between the AI-222-25 and AI-322F is 120kg. Let us take the average of these two and add 130kg to the weight of the TF6000.
How much does the TF6000 weigh? The director of TEI once said that the TF6000 has the same size and weight of the engine currently used in the Kizilelma. The Kizilelma currently uses the AI-25TLT which weighs 350kg and with extension pipe 400kg. The TF6000 is closer in length to the version without extension pipe.
- If we take 350kg as the weight of the TF6000 and add the average added weight of the afterburner of the AI-322F and F125, then the TF10000 should weigh 480kg dry. This gives the TF10000 a TWR of 9.46. This is the average case scenario.
- If we take the worst case scenario of TF6000 weighing 400kg and adding 140kg of the added weight of the afterburner of the F125 engine, the TF10000 will weigh 540kg which gives it a TWR of 8.4.
- In the best case scenario, the TF10000 will weigh 350kg+120kg=470kg dry. This gives it a TWR of 9.65.
Taking the average of the average(1) and best case scenario(3) we get a TWR of 9.55.
Taking the average of the best(3) and worst case scenario(2) we get a TWR of 9.03.
I believe the TF10000 will have a TWR closer to 9 then to 8, putting it in the similar category of the EJ200, M88 and F119 in terms of TWR. It'll be a solid 4.5th gen engine and with the ability of turning into a 5th generation engine for the Kizilelma by changing the nozzle petals and reducing it's thermal signature.
Further weight savings can be achieved by using composite materials in the engine which is currently being studied by TEI and a Turkish university.
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I didn't Malaysia produce flight controls
TUSAŞ General Manager Temel Kotil explained that TUSAŞ uses a lot of engineer resources in Malaysia and Pakistan. Noting that HÜRJET's flight control computer was made in Malaysia, Kotil announced that the General Electric F404 engine to be used in HÜRJET will be delivered this month. In addition, Kotil stated that TAI is still in the tender with HÜRJET in the jet trainer tender, which was initiated in Malaysia and came to the fore with allegations of bribery.
TAI General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil made a statement to A Haber. Kotil stated that HÜRJET was doing very well and was preparing to fly soon. In addition, Kotil said that within the scope of the project, 2 flyable prototype aircraft and 1 static and 1 fatigue test aircraft were produced to be used in test activities.
“We are making HÜRJET's flight control computer in Malaysia”
TUSAŞ General Manager Temel Kotil explained that TUSAŞ uses a lot of engineer resources in Malaysia and Pakistan. Noting that HÜRJET's flight control computer was made in Malaysia, Kotil announced that the General Electric F404 engine to be used in HÜRJET will be delivered this month. In addition, Kotil stated that TAI is still in the tender with HÜRJET in the jet trainer tender, which was initiated in Malaysia and came to the fore with allegations of bribery.
TAI General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil made a statement to A Haber. Kotil stated that HÜRJET was doing very well and was preparing to fly soon. In addition, Kotil said that within the scope of the project, 2 flyable prototype aircraft and 1 static and 1 fatigue test aircraft were produced to be used in test activities.
Could this be hinting that Malaysia would choose Hurjet for their LCA?
Director of TEI had an interview:
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IMO they'll not use the 3rd gen SCTB in this first prototype of the TF6000. I think they need some time to test the 3rd gen SCTB before putting it into an engine. But perhaps we're going to be surprised.
- In 2022, TEI reached approximately 3400 people.
- TEI achieved sales of approximately 375 million dollars.
- TEI with its own resources, have reached to the 6th place in R&D in Turkey.
- In 2022, TEI received 10 national and international awards and were chosen as the employer of the year worldwide.
- TEI increased the power of TS1400, the national engine of our Gökbey helicopter, up to 1572 horsepower.
- TEI have completed the production of two TEI-TS1400 engines for the Gökbey. The final tests continue before delivering it to TAI. TEI are planning to deliver these engines to TAI around the end of February for the first manned Gökbey flight.
- TEI developed the 225 hp PD222 version of PD170 engine and tested 225 hp.
- TEI carries out rigorous tests to document and record the durability of the engines. In this context, the PD222 engine has successfully completed the 'EASA 440' endurance tests in order to obtain flight certification.
- With the PD170 engine, Aksungur UAV rose above 30 thousand feet for the first time.
- TEI to manufacture the T700 engines of Sikorsky helicopters under General Electric license. TEI have completed the production of 85 engines and delivered 84 of them to TAI.
- TEI will produce 236 of the T700 engines we produced for Sikorsky, currently they have produced their 85th engine and have undertaken the maintenance of them for 30 years.
- The Board of Directors meeting of the Turkish Armed Forces Foundation was held in factory. TEI showed the TF-6000 engine for the first time at this meeting.
- Its design is finished, it has entered the production phase. Turkey's most powerful engine, normally it takes 3 years to produce, but TEI will do its best to produce it in 1 year. After all the parts are made, in 3-4 months, the assembly will start.
IMO they'll not use the 3rd gen SCTB in this first prototype of the TF6000. I think they need some time to test the 3rd gen SCTB before putting it into an engine. But perhaps we're going to be surprised.
The new version of TRAKON towed autocannon assembly. Can accommodate guns from 7.62 mm to 30 mm. The new version added radar, E/O and solar panels as APU. I guess it'd be useful for reinforcing austere positions fast.
Before set up
Manned version with a gatling 7.62 mm:
Before set up
Manned version with a gatling 7.62 mm: