Supporting Ukraine just means more violence and destruction and less peace... not sure about their reasoning.
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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Their political career is hanging by the noose. Don’t tow the line and your colleagues and associates will avoid you like toxic waste due to public pressure. The hole is too deep to climb out now.
If you are going to make claims like the one below, you need a source. Please cite one in the future.
Official losses of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) since the beginning of the special military operation:
Military:
Killed - 1925
Wounded - 7969
Civilian:
Killed - 587
Wounded - 1797
Official losses of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) since the beginning of the special military operation:
Military:
Killed - 1925
Wounded - 7969
Civilian:
Killed - 587
Wounded - 1797
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The West could easily solve the problem with the food shortage by stopping stupid programs like the US corn for ethanol program. Burning corn in gasoline cars instead of feeding it to livestock. As for the EU, if they still have issues with lack of sunflower oil, perhaps they should be using their rapeseed to make edible oil instead of burning it as biodiesel.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
All this talk of cooking oil is off topic I’d say. The talk of NATO naval convoys has nothing to do with oil or food, but everything to do with Ukraine getting curbstomped in Donbas now that Russia stopped prancing around and is actually fighting this war like a war.
I think Russia is also getting a lot better at interdicting NATO weapons shipments, and all its strikes against rail and road key nodes, especially bridges, is probably having a major disruptive effect on Ukraine’s ability to get arms and supplies to the front. Hence all the recent videos of Ukrainian troops refusing to fight for a lack of support and supplies.
At the most basic level, I would expect NATO escorted ‘grain’ ships to be far from empty coming in. Offloading munitions and heavy weapons at Odessa ports would massively shorten the Ukrainians logistical tail.
If NATO wants to escalate, such missions would also give them a lot of options such as establishing effective no fly zones over the naval task force which just so happens to also overlap major areas over land.
At the most extreme end, the naval task force could directly engage Russian assets in ‘self defence’ to start a direct fight between Russia and NATO.
I think Russia is also getting a lot better at interdicting NATO weapons shipments, and all its strikes against rail and road key nodes, especially bridges, is probably having a major disruptive effect on Ukraine’s ability to get arms and supplies to the front. Hence all the recent videos of Ukrainian troops refusing to fight for a lack of support and supplies.
At the most basic level, I would expect NATO escorted ‘grain’ ships to be far from empty coming in. Offloading munitions and heavy weapons at Odessa ports would massively shorten the Ukrainians logistical tail.
If NATO wants to escalate, such missions would also give them a lot of options such as establishing effective no fly zones over the naval task force which just so happens to also overlap major areas over land.
At the most extreme end, the naval task force could directly engage Russian assets in ‘self defence’ to start a direct fight between Russia and NATO.
Yeah, agree about offtopic, started to self-edit post but mods were faster. Sorry.
Back to topic: I guess all this "prevention of global hunger" narrative is pushed for sole reason to coerce Turkey to act against Montreux Convention and let NATO ships in. Idea is that Russian Navy won't block or inspect civilian ships escorted by NATO vessels to avoid major escalation and Ukraine will get a lot of supplies and weapons.
Not sure if it worth trying as Russian military has whole Black Sea within Onyx range and if Russia calls NATO bluff, it might just sink all military vessels in escort (or even better, arrest them and detain them in Sebastopol).
Back to topic: I guess all this "prevention of global hunger" narrative is pushed for sole reason to coerce Turkey to act against Montreux Convention and let NATO ships in. Idea is that Russian Navy won't block or inspect civilian ships escorted by NATO vessels to avoid major escalation and Ukraine will get a lot of supplies and weapons.
Not sure if it worth trying as Russian military has whole Black Sea within Onyx range and if Russia calls NATO bluff, it might just sink all military vessels in escort (or even better, arrest them and detain them in Sebastopol).
supposedly already destroyed by Russia
i don’t think Kherson went well for the Ukrainians. If the Ukrainians did succeed I think we would be hearing more about it on social media and MSM just like what happened during the Russian retreat from Sumy and Kharkiv.
The focus need to be turned on the west coast big time to end that nonsense.
Have a dumb question. If Russia does not want Ukraine to benefit from the sales of grain but will not want to directly confront NATO escort assets, wouldn't it be easy for missile strike against port facilities while there is still quite a bit of time before the arrival of the convoy ?
Granted it will destroy the infrastructure which Russia has to rebuild once she gain control of the entire the Ukrainian Black Sea coastal area.
Morale inside the pocket doesn't look good.