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Michael90 said:
Of course its obvious the Assad dynasty regime has been ruling by terror and fear. Its actually surprising you don't want to recognise this. What does the different faiths in syria have to do with anything ? Lol Assads bassist regime in Syria is exactly the same as Saddam's Hussein baathist regime in Iraq in the past. Have you not heard of all the massacres and executions carried by Assads father and then his son after him against any uprising/protests or opposition against them? For example, Have you Heard of the Hama maasacre in 1982 by Hafeez Assad where about 35,000-38000 people where killed in Hama in less than a month, to put things in perspective, that's close to the number killed between this Israel and Palestine war after over a year of fighting which people around the world are calling genocide and international condemnation. Lol Makes Israel's wars look like child's play. Lol
That's just one of many such crackdowns and executions carried by the Assad dynasty to maintain their rule over Syria since the country's independence and Assad family seizing power to this day. The regime hasn't changed the way she works. Lol
Saddam baathist regime used similar methods to maintain his rule over the country uncontested. Saddam's Iraq also had people of diverse faith in the country. I really don't understand what that proves at all. Please enlighten me. :)
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I guess we're seeing a nice example why it's so hard for crushed armies to stand up again.

SAA didn't get its Muye just yet, but at this point, their morale is such that they will.
 
Sardaukar20

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Doesn't impact China.

Not too worried about Xinjiang ISIS. The intel apparatus not to mention military strength gap is far too large for them to pose a threat.

How do you think ISIS can enter China to begin with? It's the taliban being complicit. But we have found moderate taliban who are ready to open up the country to China now. As long as whatever caliphate preferentially fucks US, it will be an usable partner. Americans and Zionists have huge egos and will not tolerate their pet kurds being raped and publicly beheaded as is going on already by these savage HTS cavemen. Once these powder kegs set off eachother, they will be at least slightly useful.

Imo the most important thing bar none is that China (and Russia) doesn't throw all its weight behind a lame duck leadership that doesn't embody their people's wishes (not saying Assad necessarily is). That's the same way US lost Iran permanently.

The Syrian govt has been through worse in 2012, back when Russia was a lot weaker too. But politics change and people can get tired.
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Yor forget. ETIM can come in to Xinjiang not only through Afghanistan, but through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc. Its been done before numerous times. Worse still, these terrorists have already targeted and killed Chinese and diasporas overseas. As what had happened in Bangkok in 2015. Do not underestimate them.

Whether Assad is a lame duck or not. His version of Syria is not an extremist Caliphate. Russia had learnt from the Chechen Wars that after allowing a state or region to fall into an extremist Caliphate, that region becomes a cancer that will metastasize. If they finish Syria off, they are coming for the rest of the Levant, Iran and Central Asia next. If they wanna abandon Assad so easily, they better prepare for what is to come.

The West will suffer for this. Some terrorist would kill people again on in their cities. But the elites don't really care when common people die to terrorism. Haven't we all learned that from 9/11? These are still their terrorist pets. When Syria becomes their new terrorist breeding ground, the West and Turkey could start sending them elsewhere.
 
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Michael90 said:
Of course its obvious the Assad dynasty regime has been ruling by terror and fear. Its actually surprising you don't want to recognise this. What does the different faiths in syria have to do with anything ? Lol Assads bassist regime in Syria is exactly the same as Saddam's Hussein baathist regime in Iraq in the past. Have you not heard of all the massacres and executions carried by Assads father and then his son after him against any uprising/protests or opposition against them? For example, Have you Heard of the Hama maasacre in 1982 by Hafeez Assad where about 35,000-38000 people where killed in Hama in less than a month, to put things in perspective, that's close to the number killed between this Israel and Palestine war after over a year of fighting which people around the world are calling genocide and international condemnation. Lol Makes Israel's wars look like child's play. Lol
That's just one of many such crackdowns and executions carried by the Assad dynasty to maintain their rule over Syria since the country's independence and Assad family seizing power to this day. The regime hasn't changed the way she works. Lol
Saddam baathist regime used similar methods to maintain his rule over the country uncontested. Saddam's Iraq also had people of diverse faith in the country. I really don't understand what that proves at all. Please enlighten me. :)
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I am fully aware of what the Assad family did. They have killed tens of thousands of Syrians. They have did things that could rival Saddam. Then again these rebels you love so much have managed to make them look like saints. They have killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians and that includes using chemical weapons too.

Saddam and Assad side killed people to keep their multiethnic nation together. While the rebels killed and raped people to bend a nation to their perverse version of an Islamic Caliphate. If you want to condemn the forces in Syria, don't be selective. Don't talk about the atrocities of only one side while ignoring the other. Otherwise you appear to be an apologist for Salafi terrorism. So stop smirking.

Your argument is bereft of geopolitical common sense. Let's use some cold hard logic, which you think you're espousing. Assad's brutality stays in Syria, while the rebels' brutality will extend out of Syria. So it is in the interest of countries who oppose terrorism to keep Assad in power.
 
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Sardaukar20

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Michael90 said:
Seriously, why bring China into this? nobody is talking or thinking about China in this conflict because China isn't a participant/player here and rightly so. Chinese leaders have no reason or will to get involve in this conflict. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. China will stay far away from this.
The most the Chinese government will do is to warn its citizens not to travel to syria and try and facilitate those who are already there to leave the country ASAP and call for a peaceful resolution of the conflict. That's about it.
This is actually a good thing. Since China has a policy of non interference in other affairs and they can work with whoever is in power as always. That's the Chinese way. Win-Win relations.
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Because the same people who want to mess up Xinjiang and kill Chinese (ETIM & TIP) are involved in the Syrian War. Because the same rat trail that brought terrorists from China to Syria have targeted and killed Chinese people.
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There is no win-win relationship with backstabbers and terrorists. If you treat them as friends and partners, they will still come after you. We have had enough discussions about the duplicitous natures of both Erdogan and Modi ad nauseam. Trusting them always ends up with a backstab.

And no, that doesn't mean that China must directly intervene in Syria's mess. Rather, China can provide indirect support to Syria to help tilt things in their favor, which is what China had been doing all along.
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
So Assad rules by fear and terror, where people of diverse faiths and ethnicities enjoy equal rights. While the "rebels" wanted to establish a Caliphate and rule at gunpoint, chopping heads, rape, and burning people alive. And you're telling me that the Syrian people are supposed to prefer the rebels? Something is not adding up here.
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The universal metric that all polities throughout history regardless of culture are undisputedly judged by are simply put, their ability to provide prosperity and guarantee the security of the people. Whatever one's political views of the conflict, how are ordinary Syrians on the street supposed to react to a military that, absent of serious Russian and Iranian support, can only manage to last 5 days holding a city of nearly 1 million people that never fell to the opposition during the course of the 2011 conflict? Even Ukraine usually can last months holding villages with a population of 30,000.

Objectively speaking, most people are not exactly in a position to be picky about who their rulers are. Their criteria really boils down to, can they make the trains run on time and can they make the killing stop? Morbidly, for nations that've been through war as much as Syria and Afghanistan have, the people usually eschew the former condition and accept just about anything as long as the latter condition is fulfilled. The Taliban for all the regressive policies they've implemented and outside of a few skirmishes with ISIS, by and large have brought peace. A shitty peace, but a does a population that's been through almost 40 years of nonstop war have any other choice?

What kind of rulers HTS chooses to be remains to be seen, but seeing the welcome that HTS militants have been getting in some cities, its apparent that Assad's reign was mostly built on violence rather than any sort of legitimacy. I mean, if he did have as utopian of a vision for Syria as some proclaim, wouldn't his soldiers be willing to fight harder for it? Not to mention lets get this out of the way, nobody in the region likes Iran and its militias.

HTS can very well become tyrants in the lands they occupy and the people will respond accordingly, but Assad is hardly Syria's savior if people are so welcoming to other alternatives.
 
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Here's the thing, if SAA is as non-existent and lack will to fight as some claim, then ISIS should be able to just walk into Homs and drive into Damascus by Monday.
In which case Russia would be evacuating their forces, foreign minsters wouldn't be flying around for coordination meetings and Assad would already be in Moscow.
Clearly Damascus and Russia aren't planing on going anywhere, so that means either they don't know they don't have any forces, or they have forces and we don't know where those forces are.
 
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