Syrian Civil War

ZeEa5KPul said:

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Doesn't impact China.

Sardaukar20 said:

This is no laughing matter. You writing them as "Uighur terrorists" in parenthesis shows how disingenuous you are. These are actual terrorists who have killed thousands of people in China. They have also killed Chinese tourists in Bangkok in 2015. These people are killing Syrians today, and they will try to kill Chinese tomorrow.

No. China will never feed the snakes who desires to establish an extremist Caliphate on Chinese lands and murder Chinese people. If the terrorists win in Syria, they are coming after Russia, Iran, Central Asia, and China. China does not directly support Syria. Instead, it is helping to keep the economies of Russia and Iran running, who are in turn, supporting Syria directly.

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Not too worried about Xinjiang ISIS. The intel apparatus not to mention military strength gap is far too large for them to pose a threat.

How do you think ISIS can enter China to begin with? It's the taliban being complicit. But we have found moderate taliban who are ready to open up the country to China now. As long as whatever caliphate preferentially fucks US, it will be an usable partner. Americans and Zionists have huge egos and will not tolerate their pet kurds being raped and publicly beheaded as is going on already by these savage HTS cavemen. Once these powder kegs set off eachother, they will be at least slightly useful.

Imo the most important thing bar none is that China (and Russia) doesn't throw all its weight behind a lame duck leadership that doesn't embody their people's wishes (not saying Assad necessarily is). That's the same way US lost Iran permanently.

The Syrian govt has been through worse in 2012, back when Russia was a lot weaker too. But politics change and people can get tired.

Index said:

Doesn't impact China.

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It does. Chinese companies aren't going to risk secondary sanctions for a tiny market like Syria.

Index said:

Not too worried about Xinjiang ISIS. The intel apparatus not to mention military strength gap is far too large for them to pose a threat.

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It's not a matter of capability, it's a matter of intent. Turkey is a fundamentally untrustworthy partner if it plays footsie with groups China has designated as terrorists.

Some history lessons about the importance of the liberation of Hama:

ZeEa5KPul said:

It does. Chinese companies aren't going to risk secondary sanctions for a tiny market like Syria.

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China is no2 trading partner with Syria behind Turkey. Syria's gdp per capita is at 2900 $ which is not good but not horrific.

It's very hyperbolic to say one country's lone sanctions achieved any signficant effect on Syria's economy. Ukraine is only slightly ahead of Syria, yet I'd think the ongoing war and capture of its most important provinces is the real cause of their economic decline, not being sanctioned by one country (Russia).

What I'd hope to see from the Syrian government now is full commiment and discipline. How hard can it be to adhere to the 3 rules and 8 notices, which were written in what, 1936? Gather a people's fighting force to hold the line, let the islamists and the kurds eat each other's hearts out. Then use the blank cheque from China and Russia to keep peace in an united Syria.

I actually have a lot of faith in Assad, he held on in 2012 for a reason.

Sardaukar20 said:

So Assad rules by fear and terror, where people of diverse faiths and ethnicities enjoy equal rights. While the "rebels" wanted to establish a Caliphate and rule at gunpoint, chopping heads, rape, and burning people alive. And you're telling me that the Syrian people are supposed to prefer the rebels? Something is not adding up here.

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Of course its obvious the Assad dynasty regime has been ruling by terror and fear. Its actually surprising you don't want to recognise this. What does the different faiths in syria have to do with anything ? Lol Assads bassist regime in Syria is exactly the same as Saddam's Hussein baathist regime in Iraq in the past. Have you not heard of all the massacres and executions carried by Assads father and then his son after him against any uprising/protests or opposition against them? For example, Have you Heard of the Hama maasacre in 1982 by Hafeez Assad where about 35,000-38000 people where killed in Hama in less than a month, to put things in perspective, that's close to the number killed between this Israel and Palestine war after over a year of fighting which people around the world are calling genocide and international condemnation. Lol Makes Israel's wars look like child's play. Lol
That's just one of many such crackdowns and executions carried by the Assad dynasty to maintain their rule over Syria since the country's independence and Assad family seizing power to this day. The regime hasn't changed the way she works. Lol
Saddam baathist regime used similar methods to maintain his rule over the country uncontested. Saddam's Iraq also had people of diverse faith in the country. I really don't understand what that proves at all. Please enlighten me.

I can't help but remark on how amusing it is that Jolani actually managed to pull off his long game rising from a nobody grovelling at Zarqawi's feet to possibly acquiring an entire country through simply betraying every cause and ideology he became a part of. A real life case study of a master of the game of thrones after nothing but power, until he gets droned at least.

All I can say is if Assad really does go that'll be the final sign we truly are in the end times.

MOD EDIT: Removed escalatory remark directed towards another member

sequ said:

Your worries about "Uyghur terrorists" is completely overblown and pales in comparison to the worries of the Syrian peoples.

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That just tells us that you are pretty much enemy to Chinese, a closet terrorist. If you dismiss our concern, then we don't care whatever you want, worry or fear.

sequ said:

China's relative lack in support for the assad regime will be regarded as benevolent by a free future Syria which will be in dire need for Chinese support to rebuild the country.

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Another excellent example of your wishful thinking and connecting random dots.

sequ said:

Win-win for both Syria and China.

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What Syria? Syria is not just a name, it means who is in charge and who it is befriending with. I can say a socialist/communist Turkey without Erdogan, out of NATO and eliminating pan-turkism is a perfect friend with China. Do you want that? I know there are communists in Turkey, they are the Turkish people I love and will embrace.

You made it look like a person who neither have money nor power (HTS/FSA/Turkey) trying to get accepted by a powerful and rich person (China) by repeating "you know you love me" instead of a more appropriate "I love you". Seriously, this behaviour is very rare on this planet. The only other example I have known is south korea. Not long ago, many south Koreans have demanded and tried to convince China to let SK to take over NK, they tried to prove that SK is more desired by China, how did they know what Chinese want is beyond my comprehension.

The mindset is quite well-known among Chinese as in the famous novel . So it won't work.

Sardaukar20 said:

Assad and Syria cared enough to know that China are the common enemy of the TIP that is rampaging Syria right now.

We also know that Erdogan and his people care enough to prop up ETIM and TIP to blackmail China and eventually use them to further his Pan-Turkic dream crusade in Xinjiang.

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Seriously, why bring China into this? nobody is talking or thinking about China in this conflict because China isn't a participant/player here and rightly so. Chinese leaders have no reason or will to get involve in this conflict. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. China will stay far away from this.
The most the Chinese government will do is to warn its citizens not to travel to syria and try and facilitate those who are already there to leave the country ASAP and call for a peaceful resolution of the conflict. That's about it.
This is actually a good thing. Since China has a policy of non interference in other affairs and they can work with whoever is in power as always. That's the Chinese way. Win-Win relations.

Michael90 said:

Seriously, why bring China into this? nobody is talking or thinking about China in this conflict because China isn't a participant/player here and rightly so. Chinese leaders have no reason or will to get involve in this conflict. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. China will stay far away from this.
The most the Chinese government will do is to warn its citizens not to travel to syria and try and facilitate those who are already there to leave the country ASAP and call for a peaceful resolution of the conflict. That's about it.
This is actually a good thing. Since China has a policy of non interference in other affairs and they can work with whoever is in power as always. That's the Chinese way. Win-Win relations.

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China, in fact, cannot work with whoever is in power, because not everyone in power is reasonable.

Proof 1: Taiwan in 2014 vs in 2016.

Proof 2: South Korea in 2016 vs in 2024.

Proof 3: US in 2015 vs in 2017

In all 3 cases there was no change in material conditions, only 1 change in leadership.

It seems that you believe China's tolerance is infinite. I don't think it is. Ask Lithuania, Vietnam or India.

It seems the SAA did a combat jump on HTS positions and it might have worked, too, as they are encircling them around Hama