Syrian Civil War
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I was pretty neutral about Turkey previously but this stunt of theirs has turned me and a lot of others here negatively toward them. One can imagine how sequ would behave if by some miracle Uighur separatists were able to take territory in Xinjiang from the Chinese state. He might overdose on his own dopamine.
Although this would never happen, I can't imagine China looking favorably on what Turkey's doing in Syria and its support for Uighur terrorists.
Your worries about "Uyghur terrorists" is completely overblown and pales in comparison to the worries of the Syrian peoples.
China's relative lack in support for the assad regime will be regarded as benevolent by a free future Syria which will be in dire need for Chinese support to rebuild the country.
Win-win for both Syria and China.
I think the SAA's collapse can be mostly explained by the brutal sanctions imposed on them. They simply couldn't pay their soldiers in recent years and they've demobilised large parts of their army. The SAA was a husk of its former self. In addition, the US illegally occupies one third of Syria (where the oil and the wheat is). The Syrian govt is simply at the brink of collapse. Meanwhile, the jihadists get unlimited money and equipment from Turkey/Israel/US. Most folks don't realise how bad the Syria sanctions got. Venezuela-tier.
Still, the lack of a response from Russia early on is a major puzzle. And even now, Putin seems reticent to do a repeat of his last intervention. What Syria needs is a major alternative to the Western financial system, but there is none. The BRICS don't have anything. And even China is not willing to break Western financial sanctions on Russia, so why would they extend a hand to Syria? Russia itself seems tired of Assad.
The situation looks very grim. If Syria splinters into different thiefdoms, then the supply line from Iran to Lebanon is gone. That would crush Hezbollah's chance to rearm. Southern Lebanon could soon look like Gaza and perhaps even be settled by Israelis. Who will stop them?
There's also a clear risk of another refugee wave to Europe, but this time there's no Merkel to welcome them in. We could see unspeakable crimes on the border if push comes to shove. And the final collapse of the liberal govts who are left on the continent. This might also suit Netanyahu, who knows the far-right will not raise a protest when he ethnicially cleanses Gaza and perhaps even the West Bank.
The key lesson here is that the so-called "Axis of resistance" is actually very weak.
Still, the lack of a response from Russia early on is a major puzzle. And even now, Putin seems reticent to do a repeat of his last intervention. What Syria needs is a major alternative to the Western financial system, but there is none. The BRICS don't have anything. And even China is not willing to break Western financial sanctions on Russia, so why would they extend a hand to Syria? Russia itself seems tired of Assad.
The situation looks very grim. If Syria splinters into different thiefdoms, then the supply line from Iran to Lebanon is gone. That would crush Hezbollah's chance to rearm. Southern Lebanon could soon look like Gaza and perhaps even be settled by Israelis. Who will stop them?
There's also a clear risk of another refugee wave to Europe, but this time there's no Merkel to welcome them in. We could see unspeakable crimes on the border if push comes to shove. And the final collapse of the liberal govts who are left on the continent. This might also suit Netanyahu, who knows the far-right will not raise a protest when he ethnicially cleanses Gaza and perhaps even the West Bank.
The key lesson here is that the so-called "Axis of resistance" is actually very weak.
This old Al Qaeda and ISIS lieutenant has been preparing the political groundwork for takeover for some time, even if half-hearted and barely concealing the original mission (e.g. why on earth does it matter whether they declare fighting as internal or external at this stage?). Like these:
The Turks might not be that happy about him after all, pointing to some other source of support. Altogether he seems to have been briefed to do and say according to the tastes of Western powers.
Well, what a Westerner says in front of the television cameras is irrelevant, in fact I would not be surprised at all if he had said, for example: - the triumph of these brave jihadists will be celebrated in Damascus with a gay pride parade
The reality that I wanted to point out is that the West, logically, uses the tools available on the ground, be it the Albanese mafia, some nostalgic of the 14 Waffen SS, or Wahhabi groups. Let's remember what a NATO pilot said a few years ago in one of these bloody adventures: "now we are al Qaeda's aviation"
This is no laughing matter. You writing them as "Uighur terrorists" in parenthesis shows how disingenuous you are. These are actual terrorists who have killed thousands of people in China. They have also killed Chinese tourists in Bangkok in 2015. These people are killing Syrians today, and they will try to kill Chinese tomorrow.
No. China will never feed the snakes who desires to establish an extremist Caliphate on Chinese lands and murder Chinese people. If the terrorists win in Syria, they are coming after Russia, Iran, Central Asia, and China. China does not directly support Syria. Instead, it is helping to keep the economies of Russia and Iran running, who are in turn, supporting Syria directly.
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Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. Russia's intervention in Syria was always just an air affair; it only had a token boots-on-the-ground presence. Iranian proxies, Hezbollah and PMFs from Iraq, were the main fighting force. Hezbollah got rekt in Israel's pager decapitation strike (buying Taiwanese and Japanese equipment, for shame) and the subsequent invasion of Lebanon, so their positions in Syria collapsed.
The biggest problem is the strangulating effect of sanctions over time. It's not just the absence of an alternative payments system, it's the perverse incentive throughout the Chinese economy for individual companies to comply with Western sanctions so they don't put their access to Western markets at risk - witness the Wison will-they-won't-they saga with the Russian gas turbines. It's also the reticence of China's sort-of partners Russia, Iran, et al. to fully and unreservedly embrace Chinese technology and payments systems. Right now they're playing silly hedging games that will get them nowhere.
There aren't any international sanctions on Syria though.
Loss of oil fields/productive areas are a valid excuse. Imho Assad probably did a lot of sitting around also though.
What are you talking about? Record import/export numbers and Russian economy growing faster than any EU country.
Russia and EU have mutual sanctions on eachother but if your claim is "China is not willing to break Western financial sanctions on Russia", then isn't the even worse situation in EU more indicative that "China is not willing to break Russian financial sanctions on EU?".
In reality, the simple answer is that China still conducts business with both parties because neither have any ability to affect who or what China trades with.
That's not a disadvantage. NATO will be weakened.
Well that's a "kill the goose to get the egg" scenario then, NATO is much stronger when they can field their liberal "democracy" bullshit, without that they're devolving more and more into dictatorship everyone laughs at, like Ukraine has become.
Neither Russia nor China nor even Syria is in the Axis of resistance. The resistance is a good thing because they fight US, but if it is possible to mobilise more people in a more efficient way, wouldn't that be better? The highest goal for China is to deny, destroy and delay US operations, soldiers, equipment and resource theft in the middle east.
Imho if Assad just plans to retreat despite owning the skies, and the Syrian people are weary of fighting under a secular government, then maybe this isnt the best use of energy. China must not do with Syria like US did with the Shah and lose a piece of the middle east.
They're US sanctions (technically not "international"), but nobody is going to risk doing business with a minuscule market like Syria. Russia's big enough that companies will try to find ways to do business with it, Syria is another story.
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