Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

resistance said:

Then what's east med pipeline politics then? What you can see is US is far more compromise with turkey more than you think, maybe the same level with India now. The main reason Saudis agree to normalize with Iran is because US prioritize turkey over Saudis.

The world is more than china and US that's why china must consider any countries to prioritize relationship carefully. Which letting turkey in any security discussion is worst idea to do for china.

Pushing turkey out china will get closer not only with Greece and Cyprus, but also with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt etc. And you can make EU distrust US even more

Just don't think that turkey go against some US policy is mean they will be good to engage with china. The world aren't that so simple.

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resistance said:

Then what's east med pipeline politics then? What you can see is US is far more compromise with turkey more than you think, maybe the same level with India now. The main reason Saudis agree to normalize with Iran is because US prioritize turkey over Saudis.

The world is more than china and US that's why china must consider any countries to prioritize relationship carefully. Which letting turkey in any security discussion is worst idea to do for china.

Pushing turkey out china will get closer not only with Greece and Cyprus, but also with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt etc. And you can make EU distrust US even more

Just don't think that turkey go against some US policy is mean they will be good to engage with china. The world aren't that so simple.

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tphuang said:

What are you talking about? I actually don't understand half of the stuff you wrote here.

I think what @BoraTas and @CasualObserver wrote make sense. Every country has their own interest. If Turkish people are tired of US hegemony and meddling (as evidence recently with Erdogan giving the finger to Jeff Flake), then China should use that opportunity to get closer to Turkey. Keep in mind that the opposition party was for closer relationship with China before, so there are room for improved China/Turkey relationship regardless of who wins the election.

I really don't get some people on this forum who are against better relationship with Turkey and India. You don't need to be their best friend, but if they share the mutual goal of weaker American hegemony, then there are places to cooperate. Do you only want to be stuck with losers like Iran and North Korea?

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tphuang said:

I really don't get some people on this forum who are against better relationship with Turkey and India. You don't need to be their best friend, but if they share the mutual goal of weaker American hegemony, then there are places to cooperate. Do you only want to be stuck with losers like Iran and North Korea?

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Minm said:

It doesn't help calling others losers. But if you think about it, there are some countries which have been given all the advantages, market access and technology transfer from the leading group of countries that at the time controlled two thirds or more of the world economy. South Korea became rich, Turkey did not. Then there are other countries that have been sanctioned by almost the whole world. Iran and North Korea have survived sanctions and in the case of Iran even outright invasion, Venezuela just collapsed.

Countries like Turkey that don't manage to thrive despite all the advantages they've been given will collapse if you take them away. Why aren't Turks enjoying a much better standard of living despite not only not being sanctioned but also being inside the EU customs union?

North Korea and Iran are the biggest potential growth markets for China. They have proven themselves to survive without foreign help and would thrive if only the burden of sanctions were lifted. On the other hand, countries like Turkey have been propped up by the West for decades. Pakistan has received endless Chinese aid and is still failing.

China should still being so fearful of the American reaction and invest in Syria, Iran and North Korea. Turkey and India could actually be dangerous to China if they became truly powerful.

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Minm said:

It doesn't help calling others losers. But if you think about it, there are some countries which have been given all the advantages, market access and technology transfer from the leading group of countries that at the time controlled two thirds or more of the world economy. South Korea became rich, Turkey did not. Then there are other countries that have been sanctioned by almost the whole world. Iran and North Korea have survived sanctions and in the case of Iran even outright invasion, Venezuela just collapsed.

Countries like Turkey that don't manage to thrive despite all the advantages they've been given will collapse if you take them away. Why aren't Turks enjoying a much better standard of living despite not only not being sanctioned but also being inside the EU customs union?

North Korea and Iran are the biggest potential growth markets for China. They have proven themselves to survive without foreign help and would thrive if only the burden of sanctions were lifted. On the other hand, countries like Turkey have been propped up by the West for decades. Pakistan has received endless Chinese aid and is still failing.

China should still being so fearful of the American reaction and invest in Syria, Iran and North Korea. Turkey and India could actually be dangerous to China if they became truly powerful.

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resistance said:

I myself don't against any better relationship with turkey and India, but those relationship must not worsening relation and trust with other better friends china already have like Saudi arabia, Greece, Iran, Pakistan etc. These better friends don't antagonize china unlike turkey and India.

Economic cooperation with china is what the best India and turkey cloud get, but go far as selling weapons or let cooperate in security like SCO is not good.

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