Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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What are you talking about? I actually don't understand half of the stuff you wrote here.
I think what @BoraTas and @CasualObserver wrote make sense. Every country has their own interest. If Turkish people are tired of US hegemony and meddling (as evidence recently with Erdogan giving the finger to Jeff Flake), then China should use that opportunity to get closer to Turkey. Keep in mind that the opposition party was for closer relationship with China before, so there are room for improved China/Turkey relationship regardless of who wins the election.
I really don't get some people on this forum who are against better relationship with Turkey and India. You don't need to be their best friend, but if they share the mutual goal of weaker American hegemony, then there are places to cooperate. Do you only want to be stuck with losers like Iran and North Korea?
Ahem guys... BRICS now has a team:
By @CarlZha on Twitter.
By @CarlZha on Twitter.
Nice now i have a legit reason to simp for THICC uuhm i mean BRICS..
I myself don't against any better relationship with turkey and India, but those relationship must not worsening relation and trust with other better friends china already have like Saudi arabia, Greece, Iran, Pakistan etc. These better friends don't antagonize china unlike turkey and India.
Economic cooperation with china is what the best India and turkey cloud get, but go far as selling weapons or let cooperate in security like SCO is not good.
It doesn't help calling others losers. But if you think about it, there are some countries which have been given all the advantages, market access and technology transfer from the leading group of countries that at the time controlled two thirds or more of the world economy. South Korea became rich, Turkey did not. Then there are other countries that have been sanctioned by almost the whole world. Iran and North Korea have survived sanctions and in the case of Iran even outright invasion, Venezuela just collapsed.
Countries like Turkey that don't manage to thrive despite all the advantages they've been given will collapse if you take them away. Why aren't Turks enjoying a much better standard of living despite not only not being sanctioned but also being inside the EU customs union?
North Korea and Iran are the biggest potential growth markets for China. They have proven themselves to survive without foreign help and would thrive if only the burden of sanctions were lifted. On the other hand, countries like Turkey have been propped up by the West for decades. Pakistan has received endless Chinese aid and is still failing.
China should still being so fearful of the American reaction and invest in Syria, Iran and North Korea. Turkey and India could actually be dangerous to China if they became truly powerful.
Not only dangerous themselves, but they will also be the US tool to attack china.
China prioritize Pakistan over India, the same with Greece over turkey. Even both bow to US, but they always against antagonizing china.
Prioritize relation over another is important. US lost Saudi Arabia because US prioritize turkey first.
That's in fact what they are. Turkey is not advantaged over most other nations. It just happens to not be a pariah state like North Korea.
You might want to take a look at North Korea's GDP before calling it the biggest potential growth market for China.
economic cooperation with India & Turkey has been very good for China. I have no issue with China selling weapons to Turkey. I don't see India buying weapons from China in a million years.
As for Greece, you might want to check China's popularity with Greece before calling them China's good friend. Greece is firmly in the NATO/EU camp. Unless the far left is in power, don't count on Greece staying friendly with China.
there are reasons why Turkey is in NATO despite being antagonist toward America. Think about it. Turkey is what I call a swing power.