WWHA- Whole World Hate America Group - Suggested by Turkiye
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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That could result in the US imposing even more sanctions on Turkey :d
Although the opposition candidate is a real @ss-clown, there's a real chance Erdogan may be justifiably unseated this time. The opposition currently tries to send signals to all patries in hopes for support but what is known is they're in for better relations with the West. What is unknown though is how much they're going to compromise and how much would the Western block even want Turkey back on their side.
Turkish people are sick of American hegemonical bullsh!ttery so this may force a newly formed government to pursue a more independent and national interest-driven policy.
I didnt say win, I just said US is acting like one. Protectionist trade, overspending on military, plotting revolution, aggressive overextention, harvest allies.
If they continue the same path then who knows if they go down same style.
You mean US will collapse and some of its states will become independent? Lol
Doesn't sound possible to me, far from it.
I am saying as American face increased hostility it will adopt the Soviet policy and forcefully turn EU into puppets. Instead of expansion it will attempt rein in its sphere of influence forcefully. All these buy short term stability at cost of long term competitiveness. If that goes on, it will lose. However without a retard Gorbachev equivalent it will not fall as hard.
If so, why don't US push for east med to get Greece confront with turkey then if they really support Greece?
Turkey supporting terrorists in xinjiang is enough reason that it can't ally china. Greece never done this kinda thing with china so your point about Greece doesn't stand.
Turkey join US many time against china so I don't see what's difference between turkey and India here.
Also china tolerate Pakistan to ally US as long as no anti china action, the same as china with Greece.
So what, Erdogan win or not isn't gonna good for china anyways. Independence or not isn't gonna stop turkey from supporting terrorists in china.
You're reading everything too China-centric, man. There's more to the world than just the US and China. You also have no idea about East Med and Mid East geopolitics whatsoever.
I haven't written anything about Turkey and China. Actually I would say that Turkey is not even being aggressive regarding the treatment of Uyghur Turks by China, the current government is too protectionist of the trade with China and they're receiving a lot of criticism at home for it.
Anyway, when your country's situated at the crossroads of the Balkans, Caucasus, Middle East, and the East Med, everyone's got a lot of problems with you. It's always been this way.
This is among the reasons why I think Erdogan is a dumpster fire. These discussions are usually made around tropes so a lot of people would get surprised at this. Turkey did become "China". A lot of people imagine China as an economy that sustains most of its output through manufacturing cheap products for the West. This was just partially true for even China in 2005, and nowadays it is outright not true. Turkey on the other hand does have a very high trade-to-GDP ratio and half of that is to Europe on its own.
Erdogan made the Turkish economy dependent on countries Turkey can't trust.
Then what's east med pipeline politics then? What you can see is US is far more compromise with turkey more than you think, maybe the same level with India now. The main reason Saudis agree to normalize with Iran is because US prioritize turkey over Saudis.
The world is more than china and US that's why china must consider any countries to prioritize relationship carefully. Which letting turkey in any security discussion is worst idea to do for china.
Pushing turkey out china will get closer not only with Greece and Cyprus, but also with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt etc. And you can make EU distrust US even more
Just don't think that turkey go against some US policy is mean they will be good to engage with china. The world aren't that so simple.