Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

tonyget said:

Making enemy out of China does not equal be friend with the West. Iran has a history of making enemy everywhere. During Iran-Iraq war，Iran was hostile against both the US and Soviet

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Iran's economy depends on China. If you see people ask why Iran still stands after all these harsh sanctions against it, look no further than China.

Iran will complain, will make a fuss, but in the end will accept reality.

Either make yourself more "attractive" or keep looking how China hooks up with the Arabs lol. Now if they want to go with the Russians, no problem, the Russian bear is also reliant on China.

That's how its foreign policy has driven it to the corner, JCPOA would have solved that but no they thought they had equal status to the US and played hard ball. If they had this agreement now, China would be licking its lips when looking at Iran as a land full of wealth to be made, but with sanctions remaining, that wealth and potential is as real as Afghanistan's "2 trillion dollars mineral"

It will be interesting to see what Hu will say when he visits Iran

tonyget said:

Making enemy out of China does not equal be friend with the West. Iran has a history of making enemy everywhere. During Iran-Iraq war，Iran was hostile against both the US and Soviet

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Because it always sees itself as a great power, especially in her region. Iran prior to the current political system was weakened on purpose by the Great powers of America, British etc..to ensure that the country wasn't going to dominate the region, swallowing the puny Arab states since their military powers were not on par.

Hence, the constant support of Arab dictators and arming them to the teeth, fostering the sunni-shite Islam split which adds the ideological rationale for hating each other thereby the need for the Arab countries to have the U.S. as their security partner in their hemisphere.

A strong Iran would have made it possible to control the distribution of oil if their influence, power was allowed to grow thereby undercutting western control of that liquid gold.

Western countries, used to be ruthless mother f..ng practicioners of pragmatism/real politik. Now, not so much, they're busy peddling the world with their Alphabet agenda which is a good thing for China.

Overbom said:

Iran's economy depends on China. If you see people ask why Iran still stands after all these harsh sanctions against it, look no further than China.

Iran will complain, will make a fuss, but in the end will accept reality.

Either make yourself more "attractive" or keep looking how China hooks up with the Arabs lol. Now if they want to go with the Russians, no problem, the Russian bear is also reliant on China.

That's how its foreign policy has driven it to the corner, JCPOA would have solved that but no they thought they had equal status to the US and played hard ball. If they had this agreement now, China would be licking its lips when looking at Iran as a land full of wealth to be made, but with sanctions remaining, that wealth and potential is as real as Afghanistan's "2 trillion dollars mineral"

It will be interesting to see what Hu will say when he visits Iran

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The Israelis were always going to sabotage JCPOA, no matter what Iran gave up on its side.

luosifen said:

The Israelis were always going to sabotage JCPOA, no matter what Iran gave up on its side.

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Attempt to sabotage. Biden was genuinely looking to reach a deal with Iran (in US terms though) and had expended a lot of political capital doing so

Overbom said:

Attempt to sabotage. Biden was genuinely looking to reach a deal with Iran (in US terms though) and had expended a lot of political capital doing so

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Would YOU trust any negotiations with any American government these days? The Iranians watch the USA break deals left and right all over with stronger powers than them like China and Russia, why would they accept eating unfair treaties like what got shoved down Qing dynasty China when they were upholding the original terms of the 1st nuclear deal?

Overbom said:

Iran's economy depends on China. If you see people ask why Iran still stands after all these harsh sanctions against it, look no further than China.

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That's your own interpretation. Iran does not depends on anyone，nor does China have any meaningful influence over Iran's decision，just like north Korea.

BTW. Australia's economy depends on China，that does not prevent Australia from making enemy out of China. Don't overestimate the so called "economic influence"

luosifen said:

Would YOU trust any negotiations with any American government these days? The Iranians watch the USA break deals left and right all over with stronger powers than them like China and Russia, why would they accept eating unfair treaties like what got shoved down Qing dynasty China when they were upholding the original terms of the 1st nuclear deal?

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I wouldn't trust anything signed with the Americans. The point is keep your head down, and even 1-4 years without sanctions would help Iran a lot even if the next administration deleted the deal. What's the harm in keeping your head down for a few years in order to improve the economy?

Is it pride? Pride means jackshit in geopolitics. What matters is your overall objective. Iran needed some years of free investment/tech flows to develop itself so even when the Republicans came back, it would be much stronger than without signing the deal

tonyget said:

BTW. Australia's economy depends on China，that does not prevent Australia from making enemy out of China. Don't overestimate the so called "economic influence"

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You are not making any sense. Iran is under crippling sanctions that limits its trade partners. The only one keeping it afloat is China.

Australia meanwhile can trade with anyone.
Back to the basics for you. Dunno how it came up to your mind to compare Iran and Australia's trade status lol

Bellum_Romanum said:

Who cares man, you can posts all the relevant links all you like but that shit don't matter to the people (Iranians) who are butt hurt about China's consistent stance on their issue.

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I know no one cares this is China's long-term attitude. But I still hope to provide comprehensive information to make the discussion more meaningful.
I don't understand what these people think. China's attitude has been going on for many years. Why they are “butt hurt” now? Not in 2006?

d3dx9 said:

I know no one cares this is China's long-term attitude. But I still hope to provide comprehensive information to make the discussion more meaningful.
I don't understand what these people think. China's attitude has been going on for many years. Why they are “butt hurt” now? Not in 2006?

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I have some possible reasons.

1) They thought the 25 year deal they signed with China solved that issue

2) Seeing the big moves that China is making to court the Arabs is making Iran feel more insecure and anything anti-Iran that comes out of these China-Arab meetings is getting amplified attention and exaggerated responses.

3) With the stalemate of Iran's economic and diplomatic position, and now seeing the Arabs becoming increasingly stronger, Iran feels insecure and anxious

4) the current Iranian gov used a lot of political capital to justify their "Look East" strategic direction. Now with this statement, all their domestic opposition is slamming them hard that they have failed and that China isn't the paradise that the right wing government said it is.

My guess, all of those points apply here