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d3dx9

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Why the strong Iranian response then? Did they think that the 25-year deal would have solved the issue?

In any case 2008 is still an old time ago. If there is any mention of it after >2015 (basically when the world started to change geopolitically) I will agree with you on this matter
I found the all statement on the official website of the China-Arab Cooperation Forum. From 2006 to 2020, every statement of the China-Arab Cooperation Forum included "emphasizing support for all initiatives and efforts, including the United Arab Emirates' initiative and efforts……………both sides support the resolution of the issue in accordance with international law." I think this is enough to prove that China's attitude on this issue has not changed.
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Overbom

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The Iranians regardless of ideology don't view this whole situation as a nothing burger. The territories in question evokes strong feelings and passion, no different than how the Chinese feels about it's own territories that are being occupied by the rebels and used as a battering ram by the usual suspects.
Indeed.
Some strong words here
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Iran tolerates no interference in its policies, technological, defense programs: Kanaani​

Spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry Nasser Kanaani condemned the baseless allegations in the final communiqué issued at the 43rd session of the Supreme Council of the Persian Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).
The spokesman reaffirmed Iran’s principled positions and said the three Iranian islands of the Greater Tunb, Lesser Tunb and Abu Musa are an inseparable and eternal part of the land of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
The Islamic Republic of Iran considers any claim to these islands as a destabilizing factor and interference in its internal affairs and its territory, and strongly condemns it,” he said.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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That's good take. He understands the core issue here, Iran should up its game on foreign policy
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You're asking Iran, it's people, and leadership to act rationaly when more than likely they will lash out emotionally, like broken hearted fools. Plus, this recent development could be used to turn around the current instability in that country as a rallying cry of nationalism to channel their anger back to the Chinese. I just don't know how far they are willing to make an enemy out of China, unless the U.S. along with Israel magically work with Iran to create further tension with the Sunni states thereby confirming an old adage of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." In international relations, there are no permanent friends or allies, only permanent interests.
 

d3dx9

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The same goes for the 2012 and 2010 statements.
“Stressed support for all peaceful efforts, including the initiative and efforts of the United Arab Emirates, aimed at peacefully resolving the issue of the three islands (Greater Tunb, Lesser Tunb, and Abu Musa) through bilateral negotiations in accordance with the norms of international law, and both sides support the resolution of the issue in accordance with international law problem.”
Repeated 9 times in 16 years.
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Overbom

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I just don't know how far they are willing to make an enemy out of China, unless the U.S. along with Israel magically work with Iran to create further tension with the Sunni states thereby confirming an old adage of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend
They won't do anything that drastic. As I already said in a previous post, Iran is already locked in the anti-western camp.

With Russia having to trade all sorts of stuff to Iran to get Iranian drones, Iran will now be more aligned with Russia than China.

But does that matter though? Russia itself is becoming more dependent on China by each day they are at war with Ukraine. So in the end, the consequences are not that serious.

From Iran -> China, now its Iran -> Russia -> China. Big deal... more or less the same thing on strategic matters
 

tonyget

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For China,the only advantage Iran has over Arab world,is it's anti-US stance and the capability to cause trouble for the US,thus import for China to maintain relations with Iran.

Other than that,the Arab world has much more to offer to China. Arab world has much bigger market,lower tariff and less protectionism compare to Iran. Iran has a terrible environment for conducting business,many Chinese companies have had their fair share of tough time in Iran.
 

tonyget

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Making enemy out of China does not equal be friend with the West. Iran has a history of making enemy everywhere. During Iran-Iraq war,Iran was hostile against both the US and Soviet

You're asking Iran, it's people, and leadership to act rationaly when more than likely they will lash out emotionally, like broken hearted fools. Plus, this recent development could be used to turn around the current instability in that country as a rallying cry of nationalism to channel their anger back to the Chinese. I just don't know how far they are willing to make an enemy out of China, unless the U.S. along with Israel magically work with Iran to create further tension with the Sunni states thereby confirming an old adage of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." In international relations, there are no permanent friends or allies, only permanent interests.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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They won't do anything that drastic. As I already said in a previous post, Iran is already locked in the anti-western camp.

With Russia having to trade all sorts of stuff to Iran to get Iranian drones, Iran will now be more aligned with Russia than China.

But does that matter though? Russia itself is becoming more dependent on China by each day they are at war with Ukraine. So in the end, the consequences are not that serious.

From Iran -> China, now its Iran -> Russia -> China. Big deal... more or less the same thing on strategic matters
What you laid are simply the Cold hard truth of the geopolitical realites of Iran. A reality that most of them simply can't comprehend, don't want to or unwilling to comprehend and accept. Believing into their own greatness if only the Ayatolllah is gone or from the religious nutcase side, more religious.

When the people and it's country has been cut down metaphorically by the tides of history they simply cling to their idealized, romanticized past, and since Persians have a storied great history that's what most of them cling to and that evokes pride a commodity trait that are of no use in the current geopolitical environment.

The leaders have made strategic blunders after strategic blunder. If they were more than willing to swallow their pride in dealing with their geopolitical issues ( not sending drones to the Ukraine conflict thereby forcing the Europeans to scuttle the JCPOA which strengthened the American hand furthermore) the Iranians could have some wigglen room with respect to their economic situation.

But no, the country acted like they are the top dog and didn't even consider the severe consequences the recent action it made when deciding to side full throttle with the Russian special operations/invasion of Ukraine.

I find these folks to be rather emotionally driven, revisionist, and not acting pragmatically which what they freaking need to do. Emotions is what got them to their situation and it's the same element that's going to keep them from realizing their potential. They're not Chinese who are used to eating bitterness as a fact of life. Deal with the world and circumstances that you're face with and not daydream about the world that's long been forgotten and is simply a relic of their historic past.
 
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