Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

coolgod said:

If you think India sees China as an enemy, do you agree China should also see India as an enemy, albeit an unnecessary one?

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That depends on what you consider as enemy. I think a not so competent adversary is better description of India. It's a threat that you need to manage, but I also don't see that much threat from India. If America is 100 in terms of threat to China, India might be 10 at best. So, we have to be very careful to think about it this way.

If we think about US, USSR and China back in the 70s, China was probably India in the trilateral relationship and US managed to get India to join its orbit despite huge philosophical differences because both saw USSR as mortal enemies.

Do we want to get into a similar situation with India? I don't. You have to navigate relationship pragmatically with India and US like you would do anyone else. Sometimes you offer carrot and sometimes you offer stick. It's quite clear that people inside India that can think rationally are also able to behave rationally in transactional relationship.

tphuang said:

That depends on what you consider as enemy. I think a not so competent adversary is better description of India. It's a threat that you need to manage, but I also don't see that much threat from India. If America is 100 in terms of threat to China, India might be 10 at best. So, we have to be very careful to think about it this way.

If we think about US, USSR and China back in the 70s, China was probably India in the trilateral relationship and US managed to get India to join its orbit despite huge philosophical differences because both saw USSR as mortal enemies.

Do we want to get into a similar situation with India? I don't. You have to navigate relationship pragmatically with India and US like you would do anyone else. Sometimes you offer carrot and sometimes you offer stick. It's quite clear that people inside India that can think rationally are also able to behave rationally in transactional relationship.

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I don't like the whole trilateral relationship analogy with US, China, India. Not every trilateral relationship is the same, otherwise we'd be all studying the Three Kingdoms. US-USSR-China is totally different from US-China-India. There are many in the US and Indian establishment who believe and preach this supposedly similarity in order to advocate for stronger US India ties, but they are delusional.

coolgod said:

I don't like the whole trilateral relationship analogy with US, China, India. Not every trilateral relationship is the same, otherwise we'd be all studying the Three Kingdoms. US-USSR-China is totally different from US-China-India. There are many in the US and Indian establishment who believe and preach this supposedly similarity in order to advocate for stronger US India ties, but they are delusional.

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India is in fierce competiton with China, make no bones about it. Just have a look at their train servcies in India...they economise everything so the passengers can take a ride on the roof top of an already overcrowed train, to have some real fresh air!!! Have you seen the China's high speed and ordinary trains? Chalk and cheese in comparison!!

Vietnam to China is Mexico to USA

It's PMs & presidents just keep visiting China. This is like 3rd time in a year. And you can understand why


This time, it's about railway, which is important. But even more important is just all the Chinese investment that Vietnam will get. This is what integrating southeast asia to China looks like

Thai Opposition to BRICS Membership in 2 Pictures

Recent anti-BRICS op-ed in pro-Western Bangkok Post penned by "academic" who associates with US State Department staff;

Just as Reuters recently revealed, US uses social media to poison public opinion against their own best interests to instead serve Washington's interests;

BRICS membership for Thailand will obviously serve its best interests economically, in terms of political stability, and national security;

But if measures aren't taken to neutralize US influence, a BRICS bid will face US-backed media campaigns, street protests and even violence;

"There is a lot more potential and synergies to create if we expand these intergovernmental cooperations for joint infrastructure projects," he said and added: "All SCO countries can work together to establish a well-integrated mega grid and also power markets coupling and extensive EV charging networks."

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"I propose establishing a technical-level working group to work on this mega grid under the umbrella of SCO. Our idea should be creating regionally coupled markets that effectively utilize resources across regions, delivering electricity effectively between countries," the minister noted.

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"If the member countries approve, we would like to host the first technical meeting of this working group in Türkiye this upcoming fall or next spring in the year 2025," Bayraktar added.

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An absurd show that can only be called 越俎代庖 (loosely translated to minding other's bussiness or stealing the thunder). A non-member initiates something strategically important to members. A non member to hold the first of such meeting. Something I have never seen in the history. It is as if an outsider presiding a family meeting. To be clear China has openly supported the idea of super grid crossing the whole Euroasian continent years ago, just need others to join. Within SCO only China has the money and expertise to do it. There is no need for someone to repeat the same idea with nothing to offer.

Turky should really put feet on the ground, do something that SCO actually ask for if it is serious of joining SCO, instead of pretending to be a leader of SCO members before it is even admitted. It is hollow at best or worse annoying. If a man want to date a woman, the right thing to do is giving gift and being attentive instead of acting like a dominating husband.

There are only two other countries that I know behaving this way. SK demanding China to let SK unify Korea, and India propagating the story that it was India allowed China to be UNSC member.

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I suspect Turkey doing this (assuming involvement with SCO) is just a show to the EU "I have other suitors", considering recently Ukraine and Moldova just skipped the queue of EU memembership negotiation ahead of Turkey.

train launched between Nanning and Hanoi carrying 500kV line to help secure up grid system in Vietnam. Yes, it is in China's interest to have surrounding countries rely on its tech for grid infrastructure.

This actually happened 3 months ago

SCO Set Grow in Astana With Addition of Belarus​

The SCO Summit will add Belarus to the roster. Xi and Putin are attending, but Modi is skipping.

Belarus will become an official SCO member. India becomes more and more ostracized within SCO.

India is losing interest in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization​

India has new friends to play with in the QUAD now.