Just a mostly ceremonial exchange, with Russian battlefield successes against NATO, the need to deploy Chinese soldiers on a serious level to this theater is dwindling by the day.
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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Wait, did I say something mean?
I have read the Chinese analysis of the war in Ukraine, so I don't see Russia being successful against NATO, but I totally agree that there is no chance of China sending troops to fight this war!
What is this "the Chinese analysis" you speak of? I think you should post it because I've certainly not heard any such official sounding analyses from China.
I fully agree it's a toss up if NATO did full scale involvement against Russia, but the chances of that are very low. So successes in depleting their arms and personnel continue unabated because NATO will not commit to the full blow that could seriously threaten Russia. Therefore also no need to send PLA troops to preserve the balance.
I suppose this what "China's analysis" is consistent with, but I'm just really curious where you got hold of information like that.
I was substantiating my original post that you seemed object to by giving a fresh example, "the impartance is the trend/message/what is going to happen next, not what it looks like right now."
Yeah Russia as often trying to play spoiler to China. Reason I think we can't consider Russia as a real ally/partner of China. They always seem to be wary of China and try and balance China's influence from.goriwing tok strong. In this case I think Russias invasion of Ukraine is actually a good thing for China since it weakens Russia long term and will make them less willing to be a spoiler for China's plan since China has by far the upper hand now in the relationship . Hopefully Russia learns its place in this relationship and be more constructive instead of the opposite
Even if NATO did full scale involvement in Ukraine against Russia (which we all know Russia can't sustain) China will defintely not be getting involved. If anything China will distanced herself even more from the conflict and probably just try and push more for an early seize fire or peace plan for Russia. To even think China will.send her troops or military equipments to help Russia is just ridiculous. That's the last thing on earth CCP will do and rightly so.
you talk like one of those shills from 2016 when they expected Russia or China to stab each other in the back. It's comical
Troops are probably not needed as Russia isn't exactly short of manpower, at least not official grunt troops.
Russia has said that if there is full scale NATO attack and it achieves success, nukes would be used on the NATO offensive. In that way, China has been blackmailed into seeing the conflict to its end under Putin's terms. There's no way China would rather permit nuclear use than just shore up Russia with whatever they ask for to defend against a full scale NATO offensive.
Even if there is a full scale NATO attack, China would not be in any hurry to see to the war ended as Russia would want. Not when they can pump arms and money into Russia to neutralise NATO core militaries while not having to put China officially in the line of fight.
Yes, remember that Russia interfered with China's activities in Central Asia. Their problem is that the dissociation between their ambitions and their actual national power is too great. It would be in China's interest for Russia to become a realist.
Yes, therefore, it is unlikely that China's security ambitions will be like NATO's. China really does not want to get involved in conflicts that do not concern them. It is not like the U.S.
What are you talking about dude?you talk like one of those shills from 2016 when they expected Russia or China to stab each other in the back. It's comical
I'm making an observation of events. How does that constitute being a "shill"? This is merely realpolitik. Russia is doing what's in her interests. So in some way her actions are understandable. Afterall, why will they want China to have too much of an upper hand in their relationship?
Or you have a better explanation? Why do you think Russia insisted India join despite China's reluctance? I think its normal for Russia to act that way. Its in her interests to have another big partner to reduced China's influence/dominance of the grouping. Even if you were Russian you will do the same( just like I would). But that's a different topic. Same way Russia as a great power in her own right wouldn't want the US/West to be too dominant in world affairs and does everything to counterbalance them. Its all for her own interests. Nothing wrong there.
So we are just analysing things from a neutral perspective.
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