Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

TOKYO DRIFT ABC said:

Yes, therefore, it is unlikely that China's security ambitions will be like NATO's. China really does not want to get involved in conflicts that do not concern them. It is not like the U.S.

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This I agree completely .

TOKYO DRIFT ABC said:

Yes, remember that Russia interfered with China's activities in Central Asia. Their problem is that the dissociation between their ambitions and their actual national power is too great. It would be in China's interest for Russia to become a realist

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As I said to the other member, we can't blame Russia. Its normal for them to react that way actually. If they didn't it would be a surprise actually. Russia sees herself(rightly or wrongly) as a great power and pole of her own at the same level as the US and even more than China to be honest though they don't have all the power (especially economic) to back it up. This stems from their long history as a great power with her own sphere of influence and colonies etc. This persisted until the first and second world wars which they luckily at both stages choose the right side and prevailed. So this gave Russia even more power and influence with the emergence of the G2 during the Soviet era and her many colonies in Eastern Europe and vassals in Asia/Africa/middles East, Africa and even the Americas etc. All this gave Russia unprecedented power which unfortunately reduced alot after the fall of the Soviet Union, and the rise of other powers and now China. In some ways China's rise to the position of being the US main rival and threat is also a form of realisiation for Russia about how much her position has fallen and will keep falling As China and the US become the 2 largest rivals globally. So in some ways Russia is trying to maintain her own position and reaffirm her own status as a grat power in her own right. So obviously they won't be too happy seeing one of this 2 big powers (China or the US) in what they consider as her sphere of influence. In this regard, I don't think we should be surprised. It will take alot for Russia to recognise her current position and role in this big power play. For this to happen, the power balance between China and Russia has to be so wide that Russia has no choice but to recognise the difference between her position and ambition . But that gap is not too wide as of now for that to happen.

Michael90 said:

This stems from their long history as a great power with her own sphere of influence and colonies etc.

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You clearly don't know that much about Russian history. Russia never had colonies in the Western sense. They just expanded their own borders over and over. Much like China.

Michael90 said:

This persisted until the first and second world wars which they luckily at both stages choose the right side and prevailed.

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Excuse me? What about the Russian Civil War, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, etc? Russia lost in WWI. The Russians all but defeated the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, and then were defeated by the German Empire. They had to sign painful territorial concessions where they lost a huge chunk of territory (Poland, Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics) and were in constant wars for like the next decade. In the civil war each side (Reds and Whites) confiscated crops and farms and cities were burned down. Because the Soviets signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Germans their former Western Allies from WWI invaded Russia (Murmansk, Vladivostok, etc). You call that "luck"?

It took the Soviets like a decade and a half under Stalin just to get the GDP back to how it was in the Russian Empire before WWI started.
This was done by buying technology from the West during the Great Depression. Paid with gold and wheat.

During WWII the Soviets were the nation with the highest casualties, and got their territory invaded and sacked. Millions dead.

Michael90 said:

Even if NATO did full scale involvement in Ukraine against Russia (which we all know Russia can't sustain) China will defintely not be getting involved. If anything China will distanced herself even more from the conflict and probably just try and push more for an early seize fire or peace plan for Russia. To even think China will.send her troops or military equipments to help Russia is just ridiculous. That's the last thing on earth CCP will do and rightly so.

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Once again a guy from UK trying to represent China and Chinese.
MacArthur and the US politicians said the same thing in the Korean War, see what happened.

Yeah. Maybe he thinks China will just let Russia get taken down by the US. Then China would have to defend not just its sea borders but its huge northern border as well. Good luck with that.

Modi boasted whenever he can about India and alliance with the West to contain China. I believe he should be kicked out from SCO and BRICS

Michael90 said:

Even if NATO did full scale involvement in Ukraine against Russia (which we all know Russia can't sustain) China will defintely not be getting involved. If anything China will distanced herself even more from the conflict and probably just try and push more for an early seize fire or peace plan for Russia. To even think China will.send her troops or military equipments to help Russia is just ridiculous. That's the last thing on earth CCP will do and rightly so.

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Given Russia guards the extensive northern border, provides raw materials and minerals which effectively make China sanction proof, provides a highly complimentary market for China to trade with, and also provides alternate transport routes for said imports and exports (including access to the Arctic), in addition to being a very useful 'bad cop' to distract and occupy various antagonists, China will most definitely be getting involved if Russia's integrity as a neutral state is threatened.

Looks like China and UAE are having another air force exercise. second year in a row


also Saudi defense minister visits China


more between China and Arab countries

Bangladesh PM visits China seeking for more investment

Turkey's new HSR reaching 350 km/h between Istanbul and Ankara will be carried out by CEEC

China and Kazakhstan signed deal for another $3.7B

tygyg1111 said:

Given Russia guards the extensive northern border, provides raw materials and minerals which effectively make China sanction proof, provides a highly complimentary market for China to trade with, and also provides alternate transport routes for said imports and exports (including access to the Arctic), in addition to being a very useful 'bad cop' to distract and occupy various antagonists, China will most definitely be getting involved if Russia's integrity as a neutral state is threatened.

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To reiterate the point, the economic side of the strategic equation will most decisively determine the course and outcome of the next great war, more so than any weapon system, and this applies both to nuclear as well as conventional conflict.

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Turkey's new HSR reaching 350 km/h between Istanbul and Ankara will be carried out by CEEC

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To be clearer, the construction of the rail line will be carried out by a consortium lead by CEEC. The consortium is made up of CEEC, CMC and two Turkish companies. The share of work of CEEC and CMC combined is 40%.

It may sounds negative, but China only got 40% of the work to lay the tracks just like phase I. For comparison the works in Southeast Asia were and are really prestigious and by extension national influence. I won't complain though, a bone has meat too besides keeping those technician and workers retain their competence and income after China's HSR construction boom is over.