Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

doggydogdo said:

Turkey and rest of NATO doesn't really share the same geopolitical goals after the USSR fell (except on Syria), just look at Palestine right now, where Turkey actively goes against NATO.

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NATO does not have a goal in Syria except US who support the Kurds. Turkey is against Kurds. So Turkey is at odds with US in Syria.

Turkey is not alone among NATO countries on the issue of Palestine. NATO members Norway, Spain and Slovenia recently recognized Palestine as a state too.

Last and most importantly, we are talking about Turkey's agenda in central Asia and the implication of NATO influnce. Whatever difference Turkey may have with other members of NATO (really it is just US) is irrelevant. Turkey may very likely share a common interest in this area (making trouble to Russia and China) with the rest of NATO. A wife fighting her husband today does not mean she is interest in you. She has to openly divorce her husband before you seriously considerring courting her.

CKU railway appears to be getting the go ahead and will start construction in October.

This is a pretty useful project and imo much better idea than building rail directly into Pakistan which has to go through some seriously harsh weather conditions.


new land corridor to Europe is possible here that will be completely independent of Russia and Kazakhstan

PM Modi likely to skip SCO summit in Kazakhstan in July; Putin, Xi, Sharif may attend​

Sources cite Parliament session for the decision, which may raise questions about India’s commitment to the grouping​

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is likely to skip the Summit of the

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to be held in Kazakhstan next month, and External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar is expected to officiate in his place. According to sources aware of the decision, Mr. Modi has decided not to travel to Astana for the summit to be held on July 3-4, although he had earlier confirmed his presence, and an advance security team had conducted its reconnaissance survey there.

The summit hosted by Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev is expected to include Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping, Central Asian leaders and Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif. Mr. Modi’s decision to miss the SCO Heads of State Council in Astana could also have a bearing on India’s participation in the SCO Heads of Government conference due to be held in Islamabad in “Autumn 2024”, which Pakistan would host.

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Modi goes to G7 but not the SCO summit. Everyone knows India's true colours.

coolgod said:

PM Modi likely to skip SCO summit in Kazakhstan in July; Putin, Xi, Sharif may attend​

Sources cite Parliament session for the decision, which may raise questions about India’s commitment to the grouping​

Modi goes to G7 but not the SCO summit. Everyone knows India's true colours.

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Do you truly think India should be a member of SCO?

coolgod said:

Modi goes to G7 but not the SCO summit. Everyone knows India's true colours.

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It does not matter very much. Potential Indian contributions to both groups are relatively limited. Any effort to increase the possible benefit of seriously involving India would involve many pleasant interactions with the local bureaucracy.

SCO is better off not accommodating such an interesting nation.

valysre said:

It does not matter very much. Potential Indian contributions to both groups are relatively limited. Any effort to increase the possible benefit of seriously involving India would involve many pleasant interactions with the local bureaucracy.

SCO is better off not accommodating such an interesting nation.

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India might not contribute much to SCO and BRICS, but they have power, like veto power. They have tried multiple times to block BRICS expansion and probably SCO expansion too.

coolgod said:

India might not contribute much to SCO and BRICS, but they have power, like veto power. They have tried multiple times to block BRICS expansion and probably SCO expansion too.

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IIRC BRICS and SCO do not have a veto system. That's why India needs to win over Brazil and South Africa to have any chance of delaying BRICS expansion. And given Brazil's booming economic and trade ties with China, that is extremely unlikely to happen.

CMP said:

IIRC BRICS and SCO do not have a veto system. That's why India needs to win over Brazil and South Africa to have any chance of delaying BRICS expansion. And given Brazil's booming economic and trade ties with China, that is extremely unlikely to happen.

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Even without formal veto, India has ways of ruining the organization. Never underestimate the ability of Indians to delay things.

valysre said:

It does not matter very much. Potential Indian contributions to both groups are relatively limited. Any effort to increase the possible benefit of seriously involving India would involve many pleasant interactions with the local bureaucracy.

SCO is better off not accommodating such an interesting nation.

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Just after Modi went to G7. Pelosi and Co. were seen in India with Dalai Lama. The guy responsible for attempting to assassinate on US soil was also extradited. These things won't have happened without explicit approval from the top dogs in India's echelon. High unlikely there is no back deal between India and US

coolgod said:

Even without formal veto, India has ways of ruining the organization. Never underestimate the ability of Indians to delay things.

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It doesn't matter what they want to do. BRICS is not corporate America. Given the way BRICS is set up, India needs Brazil and South Africa onboard to overturn the direction set by Russia and China. Indian diplomatic sources have confirmed this. They have also confirmed that even if they were to succeed in overturning that direction, they would pay a huge price for it as the ringleader of such a scheme. Not only by retaliation from Russia and China, but also by retaliation from all the countries that would have their membership ambitions smashed. All this on top of whatever they would need to give to Brazil and South Africa to sway them to its side. Given how Brazil's economy is currently ramping up via Chinese outsourcing, the price India would have to pay Brazil would be undoubtedly very high. And India's government is not exactly rich with capital to pay such a high price. That's all there is to it.