Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

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so cooperations this week from the China Arab forum still seems to not be that high. big deals are the IT deal with Lenovo and Huawei opening up new AI cloud data center and providing new data products to the MENA region

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Also China could be donating more money and resources to Gaza region. I think it's a pretty good ROI on good wills from Muslim countries

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Renaud did a little summary here. Nothing really stands out here vs what happened in Dec of 2022
 

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posting this here. Very good point now that China is selling construction and agriculture equipment at much lower price point to global south countries so they can increase production of minerals and farming that will keep supply high in the market and keep China's inflation down.

Two way trade where China help non hostile countries to increases the quantity of production for what it doesn't have (or have enough of), so the price of those commodities come down and don't benefit hostile countries
 

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Thailand will be the first ASEAN country to apply for BRICS

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ccording to Chai, Thailand’s letter said that BRICS membership would “benefit Thailand in many dimensions, including enhancing the country’s role in the international arena and increasing its opportunities to co-create a new world order,”
 

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Turkey-China relations seem to be improving in a major way with Turkey courting Chinese investment and now signaling its desire to join BRICS
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Now Turkiye's FM is on a 3-day visit to China and he said some interesting things.
On Ukraine
We are pleased to see that Türkiye and China have a common understanding on establishing peace in Ukraine.
On Palestine
Fidan also welcomed China's solidarity with the Palestinians and its strong support for a two-state solution.
He praised a call by Chinese President Xi Jinping for a comprehensive and effective international peace conference for a solution in Palestine as “extremely important.”
On Xinjiang
He said that Kashgar and Urumqi are two ancient Turkic Islamic cities that contribute to China's cultural richness.
"These cities also play a bridge role between China and the Turkish world as well as between China and the Islamic world. They are symbols of our historical friendship and neighborhood," he added.
Following engagements in Beijing, the Turkish foreign minister is expected to visit Urumqi and Kashgar later on Tuesday, where he will stay until Wednesday.
On China-Central Asia ties
Fidan also stated that they welcomed the relationship that China has developed with the Turkic world and the Islamic world in recent years,
"Especially the countries that are members of the Organization of Turkic States, like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan, and the trade-based, investment-based relations that it has developed with these countries in recent years are extremely important.
"We support it. Likewise, we expect its relations with Türkiye and Azerbaijan to continue to increase," he added.
On China's increasing economic competitiveness and attempts to sabotage it
About Türkiye's support to China, Fidan noted that he is fully against armed terrorist movements against China and that he did not think that international attempts, especially those aimed at confusing China and stopping China's economic development, were right.
"The reflection of China's economic competitiveness to the international public opinion in a different way, and the endeavour to produce a different global struggle from here, is indeed an event that rings alarm bells for world peace, stability and development," he said.
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Turkey-China relations seem to be improving in a major way with Turkey courting Chinese investment and now signaling its desire to join BRICS
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Now Turkiye's FM is on a 3-day visit to China and he said some interesting things.
On Ukraine

On Palestine

On Xinjiang


On China-Central Asia ties

On China's increasing economic competitiveness and attempts to sabotage it

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That's encouraging, i've previously expressed my suspicions on this forum about the Turkish government's involvement in some anti-China plots involving seperatists but it seems that is water under the bridge. Notably the Chinese side never really lashed out at Turkiye when all that was happening, it seems the SCO+BRICS members/prospectives are serious about laying aside all old conflicts.
 

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Translated from Turkish by Google
The statements made by Minister of Foreign Affairs Hakan Fidan in China are of historical importance:
Strong emphasis on China's territorial integrity
Declaration of intent for BRICS Support for relations between Turkish States and China
Praise for China's establishment of peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia
Satisfaction with the China-Islamic World relationship
The will to coordinate efforts for the Palestinian struggle
These are all topics worth talking about separately....
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One of the most ambitious sections: In my opinion, the third part of the speech given by Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan in Beijing was the part followed most carefully by the USA.
Minutes 7 to 10 of his speech describe how Turkey reads the power struggle between China and the USA.
In this part, Minister Fidan directly criticized the US policy towards China without naming any names.
Minister Fidan emphasized that they oppose external destabilization attempts against China and support the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Beijing administration.
The Minister of Foreign Affairs actually implicitly criticized the US policy towards China by saying, "We would like to express that we do not find it right to stop China's economic development."
Minister Fidan's subsequent emphasis on their opposition to reflecting China's competitiveness in other ways brought to my mind Washington's "overproduction" accusations against China. “The world must get used to civilized competition. "It is an outcome that must be accepted that the markets established by the dominant powers in the previous century are changing hands under more fair competitive conditions."
I interpret Minister Fidan's words as his approval of the power transfer in the economy from the Atlantic to Eurasia.
Minister Fidan “There is enough prosperity in our world for everyone.” He used the expression. I don't know if it is a conscious choice, but the Chinese leader frequently expresses this discourse in his contacts with the USA. Minister Fidan emphasized China's territorial integrity and sovereignty at the beginning and end of his speech. It is important that he makes this emphasis twice.
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Translated from Turkish by Google
In fact, the basic agenda is stated in three articles;
1) Balancing the trade deficit with China
2) Partnership in Nuclear Energy
3) Increasing Chinese interest in trade corridors
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Translated from Turkish by Google
Frankly, I find the BRICS echo in the public a bit unnecessary. This issue is not new, we talked about it just last year, and even before that, we talked about Turkey's membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

Such statements attract the most attention and are shared in the Western press because they wonder if we have lost another country to the rising global south. Even though countries such as Russia and China know that this is not the case, they keep the process warm by giving urgent answers such as Peskov's statement in order to fuel the fire.

On the other hand, Turkey's stance on this issue is very clear. Turkey constantly states that it has not experienced an axis shift, and that it can be involved in other mechanisms as much as it is involved with Western-style mechanisms in parallel with its multilateral diplomacy strategy. After all, none of these are military/security formations.

There is also a clear Asia Again Initiative. The aim of the Turkish Foreign Ministry is to contact these Global South countries and improve their economic, commercial and cultural relations with them. There is currently no better mechanism for this than BRICS, but BRICS+, which expanded last year and will hold its first meeting this year, is not telling Turkey to come and be our member tomorrow. These are all issues that will take a process. What I mean is that we will talk more about this issue tomorrow as well as yesterday.
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posting this here. Very good point now that China is selling construction and agriculture equipment at much lower price point to global south countries so they can increase production of minerals and farming that will keep supply high in the market and keep China's inflation down.

Two way trade where China help non hostile countries to increases the quantity of production for what it doesn't have (or have enough of), so the price of those commodities come down and don't benefit hostile countries
another example here with XCMG sending crane to Brazil to build wind turbines, likely also produced by Chinese firms


Really great partnership here with Brazil
 

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On China-Central Asia ties
Fidan also stated that they welcomed the relationship that China has developed with the Turkic world and the Islamic world in recent years,
"Especially the countries that are members of the Organization of Turkic States, like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan, and the trade-based, investment-based relations that it has developed with these countries in recent years are extremely important.
"We support it. Likewise, we expect its relations with Türkiye and Azerbaijan to continue to increase," he added.

This sounds really wierd to my ears. It is as wierd as if China saying "We welcome Turkey developing relationship with countries in the sinosphere" regarding Turkey's relationship with East and Southeast Asian countries. The expression sounds as if China need Turkey's endorsement to develop relationship with central Asian states.
 
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