Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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But they don't have veto power, otherwise they wouldn't have tried to block, they would have blocked.
SCO doesn't operate on UN like principles, more like NATO like principles, where the most influential member in economy/military had the largest say and countries can mostly opt in and out of individual plans, but not veto the decision of the de facto leader(s?)
Yup. As far as anyone knows SCO doesn't have a veto system either. And even if it did, I am sure only China and maybe Russia would have one.
I just listened through an almost hour long conversation with Indian security establishment guy and I think it’s quite informative. I think it’s important to understand India point of view when thinking about what to expect from them. India believes itself to be an independent power that’s not in west or east bloc precisely because it sees China as enemy. And there are real issues here with respect to losing territory to China that have deeply wounded Indian pride. That’s just a fact. But they also understand they have to work with China in economy and technology. I don’t think anyone should expect India to play ball with China. If India does anything that favors China interests, it would be due to India just happening to gain from that approach. So don’t expect India to join your global resistance approach but try to prevent India from going against you through diplomacy & pressure. As such, I think it’s far more likely that India can be forced into accommodating China in brics rather than sco. When it comes to sco, it’s more likely to just disappear in participation over time.
I think India is well aware that the US wants to use it as a catspaw against China and will avoid falling into that trap. It will "show enough leg" to the US to maintain interest and get what advantages it can but never fall fully into the US camp. Indeed, India remains friendly with Russia, much to the chagrin of the US.
If you think India sees China as an enemy, do you agree China should also see India as an enemy, albeit an unnecessary one?
India is 100% an enemy of China. Its the second biggest threat to China after US. India and China cannot co-exist without both constantly fighting each other over influence over various countries in the region. There is a chance that they might co-exist without going to a massive war due to geography, but they are destined to have an "intense security competiton".
The only way this ends is either power gets weak or gets split into smaller pieces. Or they both have a bigger threat that they must fight together. Right now India is too small to be countered by the west. But if India gets big enough, I do see a chance that the west might target India and then China and India may work together against the west. But they will remain rivals.
A mountain cannot have two tigers
A tiger and a cow can still live on the same mountain?
Again, there is not much point in seriously engaging with India due to the internal self-delusions regarding their own position. As an economic partner, or as a "strategic competitor".
As far as the SCO goes, whether India would like to join or not is not really the care of China, because China knows that India may try and nationalize any investment at any time and is otherwise unreliable in every possible sense.
respectfully, there are no friends nor enemies in geopolitics. Only national interests.
Both China and India will do what is necessary to forward their respective priorities and interests. This means collaborating when necessary, and likewise competing. Let's leave discussions of friends and enemies out of international relations because it just obscures analysis? if that means ignoring 99% of social media chatter, so much the better because the outcome is shaped by cooler, dispassionate minds.