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Financial backer of Pakistan's military and China plan a joint airforce exercise in Xinjiang (closest practical training spots to India), you don't think this sends a signal? If the situation is reversed, Germany/EU and Philippines host a joint naval exercise in the South China sea do you also think this doesn't send a signal (to China)?

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If you still need more hints, take a look at 环球时报's military analysis of the exercise.

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This exercise is meant to be simulate each other's fighter as the enemy.


What planes does UAE have? F-16E/F Block 60 and Mirage 2000. Do you think the US will allow UAE to fly F-16 to Xinjiang to have a joint airforce training with China? Guess who happens to have an exercise right now on the Chinese border near Xinjiang. Why this same country also happens to use Mirage 2000 for its high altitude operations. What a coincidence o_O

Protip: check out the other operators of Mirage 2000 and think about why this joint airforce exercise isn't held elsewhere in China ;)

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no, cut it out. There is no signal here to India except that China is developing relationship with a new ally in UAE. At some point, maybe there will be a signal to be sent. But if there is a signal to anyone, it would be that the middle east is coming to China.

As for M2K, it really doesn't mean much. If you think PLAAF is concerned in the about IAF's M2K force, then you really have no idea about how good PLAAF is. If you made the argument that China may want to train with UAE M2Ks due to ROCAF having them, that actually would be more plausible. But even with that, China can have fun with M2K on Taiwan side.

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Those "bigger things" are now involving India. India now choose the west, sabotaging SCO and openly hostile to china. Why should china support India for anything.
China now rather make India's neighbors join with Pakistan, support rebels in northeast India.
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When has China ever supported India for anything?

There is something seriously toxic on this forum when people need to bash India even when the topic has nothing to do with them.

That's a warning for people on this thread. Anything more on India with this exercise will be deleted.

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The joint exercise is between UAE and China. There isn't a hidden message or targeted against anyone.

Its a win-win, China can simulate against Indian and Taiwanese Mirage 2000 while UAE wants to get more exposure to Chinese air systems so that they can see if its worth it to invest there.

Its win win for both sides, especially for China if it can prove to UAE the superiority of its air systems and convince UAE to go to China for its 5th gen fighter needs

Relatively to all that, sending a message to India is nowhere near the top of China's objectives from this exercise
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right, key is convincing UAE of China's power.

China needs middle eastern investment right now. Getting UAE to buy Chinese weapons guarantee long term partnership and loyalty.

People should take a look at which countries are most pro-China and see how much weapons they buy from China. As long as the security establishment in these countries rely on China, these countries will work with china's interests.
 
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one thing i missed out. When Algerian president came recently, a deal was signed for access to their iron ore reserve which is 2 million t, which is decent size. but more importantly, the iron content of 58% is quite high

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It's typical a win-win situation which China promulgates throughout the world, including US.
 
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no, cut it out. There is no signal here to India except that China is developing relationship with a new ally in UAE. At some point, maybe there will be a signal to be sent. But if there is a signal to anyone, it would be that the middle east is coming to China.

As for M2K, it really doesn't mean much. If you think PLAAF is concerned in the about IAF's M2K force, then you really have no idea about how good PLAAF is. If you made the argument that China may want to train with UAE M2Ks due to ROCAF having them, that actually would be more plausible. But even with that, China can have fun with M2K on Taiwan side.


When has China ever supported India for anything?

There is something seriously toxic on this forum when people need to bash India even when the topic has nothing to do with them.

That's a warning for people on this thread. Anything more on India with this exercise will be deleted.


right, key is convincing UAE of China's power.

China needs middle eastern investment right now. Getting UAE to buy Chinese weapons guarantee long term partnership and loyalty.

People should take a look at which countries are most pro-China and see how much weapons they buy from China. As long as the security establishment in these countries rely on China, these countries will work with china's interests.
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Totally agree. This signals Middle East is assesing China as a weapon/security provider. The political leadership has already seen enough, but this time China needs to make an impression for the military guys too. Xinjiang is chosen maybe because it is closest and has plenty of air base. Perhaps the desert environment is more familiar to the UAE and they want to see how Chinese gears perform in deserts. If China want to troll India, they would be exercise in Tibet instead.

There is also the fact ROCAF operate M2k and F-16, who is much much much likely to fight PLAF than IAF.

All in all this is a pretty big news, it would mean a lot for future of Chinese weapon export market.

If there is anyone getting trolled politically, it is Americans. Their previous supposed to be F-35 buyer turned it down and now exercising with Chinese air force. The fact a muslim military is visiting xinjiang also fucks the muslim genocide narrative. I cannot believe people here is not seeing this obvious connection and chose Indians of all people.
 
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Thailand and Myanmar cooperate to evict Western meddling from their nations.
Western intelligence agencies are fuelling an armed rebellion against the Myanmarese generals in power from the hideouts in Thailand while also promoting a colour revolution and regime change in Thailand itself. The Myanmarese and Thai militaries traditionally kept close fraternal ties.
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The Thai establishment’s advice to the Myanmarese generals would be, conceivably, to “weaponise” electoral politics as they are doing in Bangkok and defang and assimilate the opposition, so as to keep the wolves away. It seems the generals in Nay Pyi Taw heeded Don’s message.
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Aung San Suu Kyi, the iconic figure of Myanmarese politics, has been moved from prison to house arrest.
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If the past is any guide, the military leadership in Myanmar has either been talking to Suu Kyi behind the scenes or is hoping to re-engage her in a meaningful conversation.
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no, cut it out. There is no signal here to India except that China is developing relationship with a new ally in UAE. At some point, maybe there will be a signal to be sent. But if there is a signal to anyone, it would be that the middle east is coming to China.

As for M2K, it really doesn't mean much. If you think PLAAF is concerned in the about IAF's M2K force, then you really have no idea about how good PLAAF is. If you made the argument that China may want to train with UAE M2Ks due to ROCAF having them, that actually would be more plausible. But even with that, China can have fun with M2K on Taiwan side.


When has China ever supported India for anything?

There is something seriously toxic on this forum when people need to bash India even when the topic has nothing to do with them.

That's a warning for people on this thread. Anything more on India with this exercise will be deleted.


right, key is convincing UAE of China's power.

China needs middle eastern investment right now. Getting UAE to buy Chinese weapons guarantee long term partnership and loyalty.

People should take a look at which countries are most pro-China and see how much weapons they buy from China. As long as the security establishment in these countries rely on China, these countries will work with china's interests.
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To be honest about your last point, i dont think that's the case. China has a stated policy of non intervention in others internal affairs and they practice that actually unlike even non western powers like Russia and even India who often get involve in other countries politics and internal affairs to support those political leaders favourable to them(look at Bhutan who is a quasi indian satellite state, Maldives where they helped remove the once anti Indian president etc) and even militarily like we saw with India in Sri Lanka financing Tamil rebels for decades and sending troops to Sri Lanka back then. Etc. Won't even talk about Russia who is known to be a hegemonic/militarisation power for centuries now and doesnt hésitate to intervene politically or militarily to protect its allies/interests

So most countries won't want to ally with China per se. Since in case any of this country faces an internal turmoil or western backed regime change/turmoil China wont ever intervene(i am not saying this is a wrong strategy though, just makibg an observation) to support that government/country. Since the death of Mao(who was more willing to support Chinas allies by ALL MEANS NECESSARY) China has adopted à strategy of non interference and focus on business only. Which has actually served the country well. I don't see China changing her stance anytime soon. So even if i was a non western country's president/leader, i will either ally militarily with the West, or if not Russia at least , that's in case i want a big power to support my regime/rule or power i can count on at least to support my rule. Lol However, i will do business with any country who offers me the best deal. :)
 
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To be honest about your last point, i dont think that's the case. China has a stated policy of non intervention in others internal affairs and they practice that actually unlike even non western powers like Russia and even India who often get involve in other countries politics and internal affairs to support those political leaders favourable to them(look at Bhutan who is a quasi indian satellite state, Maldives where they helped remove the once anti Indian president etc) and even militarily like we saw with India in Sri Lanka financing Tamil rebels for decades and sending troops to Sri Lanka back then. Etc. Won't even talk about Russia who is known to be a hegemonic/militarisation power for centuries now and doesnt hésitate to intervene politically or militarily to protect its allies/interests

So most countries won't want to ally with China per se. Since in case any of this country faces an internal turmoil or western backed regime change/turmoil China wont ever intervene(i am not saying this is a wrong strategy though, just makibg an observation) to support that government/country. Since the death of Mao(who was more willing to support Chinas allies by ALL MEANS NECESSARY) China has adopted à strategy of non interference and focus on business only. Which has actually served the country well. I don't see China changing her stance anytime soon. So even if i was a non western country's president/leader, i will either ally militarily with the West, or if not Russia at least , that's in case i want a big power to support my regime/rule or power i can count on at least to support my rule. Lol However, i will do business with any country who offers me the best deal. :)
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they might have to provide some form of security assurance to middle east countries and central asian countries.

I think Pakistan has some form of security assurance from China even if it's not on paper.
 
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SCO already is a soft form of security guarantee. Perhaps not with the commitment of something like NATO or CSTO, but that probably suits both parties right now.

TK3600 said:
Totally agree. This signals Middle East is assesing China as a weapon/security provider. The political leadership has already seen enough, but this time China needs to make an impression for the military guys too. Xinjiang is chosen maybe because it is closest and has plenty of air base. Perhaps the desert environment is more familiar to the UAE and they want to see how Chinese gears perform in deserts. If China want to troll India, they would be exercise in Tibet instead.

There is also the fact ROCAF operate M2k and F-16, who is much much much likely to fight PLAF than IAF.

All in all this is a pretty big news, it would mean a lot for future of Chinese weapon export market.

If there is anyone getting trolled politically, it is Americans. Their previous supposed to be F-35 buyer turned it down and now exercising with Chinese air force. The fact a muslim military is visiting xinjiang also fucks the muslim genocide narrative. I cannot believe people here is not seeing this obvious connection and chose Indians of all people.
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Pretty much my interpretation of it. My understanding of Gulf militaries, when they buy military equipment they want to buy the whole package. That includes training, logistics, service contracts. For poorer countries its more of an afterthought.

A joint exercise is the best way to showcase this, plus it gives the PLAAF pilots the opportunity to engage with western trained pilots.
 
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