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ACuriousPLAFan

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more on building friendly countries. Jokowi has generally been very pro-China and it shows in the favorability of China in Indonesia. Now that he is stepping aside, trying to help with successor to win the next election. It's good when he comes to China for visit, there is always things he can secure. Now longer term, getting Indonesia to buy Chinese weapons is probably the best way to secure this relationship.
Hopefully Ganjar Pranowo (the current Central Java governor, coming from Jokowi's party and also his ally) can win this coming February. Beijing needs a friendly and welcoming Jakarta to not just further Chinese investment and development in the country, but also lead and stabilize ASEAN (being the "Big Brother" of ASEAN, after all) in order to secure China's southern frontier against an increasing DC-led coercion in the region.
 

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I wonder what they will try to sell to the emiratis here? But generally, big deal imo. If J-10C or J-16 can kick Rafale's ass. It will show UAE who has the best hardware. May the Saudis come after this

more interesting is what UAE will bring. UAEAF has not yet acquired Rafale, and their fighters are mostly mirage, which i am sure PLAAF would be VERY interested in. now J-10C should have no problem knocking out mirages. but unless there is a huge capability gap even beyond rafale, i dont see UAEAF buying j-10c, since they are already buying a lot of rafale. now in all honesty acquiring J-10C or even JF-17 to replace mirage makes sense for them since they have a close relationship with Pakistan.
 

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I wonder what they will try to sell to the emiratis here? But generally, big deal imo. If J-10C or J-16 can kick Rafale's ass. It will show UAE who has the best hardware. May the Saudis come after this

I think the meaning of this joint excercise is much more than selling some hardware. This year is UAE military in China, maybe next time and soon we will see PLA excercising in UAE. maybe soon Saudi in China and vise versa. UAE could be China's foot print like Qatar to US, not necessarily a permenant base, but regular vist, joint excercise, resupply, intel sharing, all kinds of things.

The Iran and Saudi reconciliation really opened the door. Up till now China has had joint excersize with Iran in the region, but never a gulf country. With the reconciliation, China can intensify military cooperation with everyone without much risk of upsetting anyone. We could even see a military version of Iran and Saudi reconciliation, such as joint excersize of Iran, Saudi and China.
 

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I think the meaning of this joint excercise is much more than selling some hardware. This year is UAE military in China, maybe next time and soon we will see PLA excercising in UAE. maybe soon Saudi in China and vise versa. UAE could be China's foot print like Qatar to US, not necessarily a permenant base, but regular vist, joint excercise, resupply, intel sharing, all kinds of things.

The Iran and Saudi reconciliation really opened the door. Up till now China has had joint excersize with Iran in the region, but never a gulf country. With the reconciliation, China can intensify military cooperation with everyone without much risk of upsetting anyone. We could even see a military version of Iran and Saudi reconciliation, such as joint excersize of Iran, Saudi and China.
I think there is also a large India aspect to this exercise we're missing.
Supposedly India is having an exercise right beside Chinese border from July 31st to Aug 5th.
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Xi was just at WTC airforce command on July 26th. I'm sure these things are all linked somehow.
 

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I think there is also a large India aspect to this exercise we're missing.
Supposedly India is having an exercise right beside Chinese border from July 31st to Aug 5th.
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Xi was just at WTC airforce command on July 26th. I'm sure these things are all linked somehow.
why would there need to be Indian component to this? Why would pla need uae support for India?

if china wants to show strength against India, it can just do whatever it needs to do itself.
 

pevade

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why would there need to be Indian component to this? Why would pla need uae support for India?

if china wants to show strength against India, it can just do whatever it needs to do itself.
It's about gaining influence and political support, not military support.
 
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