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tphuang said:

It will change things because the opposition is unlikely to be as antagonistic toward NATO as Erdogan. Erdogan is a pretty unusual and hard headed character

hmm, I cannot believe you are so eager to counter Turkey that you forgot that the party really hurt here is America. When did China's main adversary become Turkey instead of anglo-saxon hegemony? We should now spend rest of our time here focusing on countering Turkey rather than America.

If you need to understand what's going on
First, there was this article in the morning, no doubt released from the deep state. Wtf is I2U2? How do they think they can build high speed train in the middle east when we don't have that here in America or India?

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Indian diplomat MK Bhadrakumar wrote this

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yeah, America looking for junior partners to help them counter China in the middle east. A proposal that India didn't even care about in 2020. And now with India openly discussing its relationship with Iran, it's going to join an initiative to be a junior partner to America and Israel in the region?

See the duplicity that Biden's security team is playing?

you bet this is the case

Yes Biden people are in Panic that the entire Arab world is telling them to leave Syria.


btw, this is a good thing.

And then Arab league smacked them with this Syria news before Jake Sullivan arrived. See MK Bhadrakumar's commentary

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1655212415330533378

So yes, two day is a good day for multi-polar world. Let's think about things from that perspective.

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resistance said:

Not so much for china though. Overall policies are the same with china with more western friendly. Erdogan actions just delaying to responding to western demand.

It's common nature that turkey and Saudis are rival to each other now. Saudis want Assad to stay as buffer zone now that's why US must be ousted of Syria. Overall you can see US prioritize turkey over Saudis which make Saudis refused to normalizing with Israel.

Saudis relation with china is far better than turkey. This is the facts.

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tphuang said:

You are changing the topic to suit your narrative. There is nothing wrong with having a good relationship with Turkey while having a better relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the center piece of China's MENA strategy. Iran and Turkey are secondary pieces.

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taxiya said:

It seems that it is a common phenomenon in "democracy" that every side of the spectrum tries to create a foreign "enemy" to attract votes. The Turkish political factions look extremely absurd. While it is easy to understand why US politicians use China as the "enemy", what is the point for the Turks? What did China do to Turkey? What would Turkey gain by doing this? Turkey is far smaller and weaker than US, nor is Turkey in some sort of dominant position in its neighbourhood. Making an extra "enemy" some thousands kilometers away is beyond stupidity.

Turkey is playing the American book, "bargaining by blackmailing". However, China stopped accommodating the US game some years ago since Trump's time, Turkish politicians seem not realizing the change. They should learn from Saudi Arabia and Iran, speak nice and polite, then get what one want.

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resistance said:

Nope, turkey is the last pieces after Iran Saudis and other countries in the region. China try to have good relations with anybody but there must be priority.

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But an equally important question in this election is what a post-Erdogan Turkey could mean for geoeconomics of the emerging world order. Simply put, an economically revitalized Turkey could become a critical partner for a West that is striving to recalibrate its dependence on China and diversify its supply chains. Both Europe and the United States have an interest in Turkey transforming itself.

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tphuang said:

If you want to say that in your mind Iran is more important, that's fine. But your attempt to blame everything in the region on Turkey is pathetic. You are the one that cheered that Syrian joining the Arab League, saying it's terrible for Turkey. When anyone looking at the situation objectively can see that the neocons would be most upset about what's happening.

China runs a huge trade surplus against Turkey. And as I said, Turkey itself is now close to persona non grata in NATO. It will be eager to work with China & Russia. I would much rather have a leadership in control that has to work with China (like with Iran) than one that might turn around for rapprochement with NATO.

just read this kind of article on wapo

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Now the collective west thinks that they are going to use Turkey to balance itself with China. Now, I think this is typical neocon thinking without any regard for on the ground look in Turkey. But if Erdogan gets re-elected, he will be very eager to work with China

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In4ser said:

I say let them. Being at the crossroads of Asia and Europe has always been their leverage and great weakness. They are in a coveted but dangerous neighborhood surrounded by neither friends nor enemies. I'm sure the Turks are smart enough to see where the wind is blowing, with Arabs, Iranians, China, and Russia grouping up. Suppose they make the wrong choice by aligning too closely with the West or being Nationalistically. In that case, it would rally the rest of the Eurasian powers against them as many have historical grudges and geopolitical interests against Turkey much deeper than China's.

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resistance said:

I never said neocons aren't upset about Syria now, but Saudis intentions is not about upsetting neocons but want Syria as buffer. Country in middle east that threatening china the most is turkey. I never see other countries in middle east threatening china far more than Turks do.

Chinese Trade surplus with turkey is something that not gonna changed in any circumstances like Japan Korea or even EU. Not so big issues.

Arab league joining means Turkish occupation in Syria must ended which is what Saudis want now. You will understand more if you see increasing saudis Greece drill and Saudi engagement with Armenia.

Neocons already using turkey to balance itself with china during current Erdogan era. I don't see what will opposition work less with china than Erdogan.

Somehow Erdogan win is better since he will make turkey isolated and weaken as china won't give anything more than what turkey get from china today.

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tphuang said:

Turkey has its own national interests and they don't align well with rest of NATO. Erdogan is a "strong" leader willing to stand up against the West. hIs opposition is just your run of mill politician. So after the election, are you more likely to see Erdogan seek for better relationship with China and free from the West or the other guy?

It's like in Iran, would you rather the conservative wing be in charge or the liberal wing? There is clearly 1 wing that will be more friendly to China regardless of the overall direction of the country

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