PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

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Lion

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JMSDF did manage to track a Han SSN making an incursion into Japan water during a high profile case in recent years. And CCP government even need to apologise for that mistake. So to say no PLAN SSN patrol had detected by foreign sources is not correct.
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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Lion said:
JMSDF did manage to track a Han SSN making an incursion into Japan water during a high profile case in recent years. And CCP government even need to apologise for that mistake. So to say no PLAN SSN patrol had detected by foreign sources is not correct.
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If I remember correctly. The Submarine was tracked from the harbor where it berth and tail then the US transmit the location to the JMSDF. Normally when you watch the other guy submarine you let the other guy know that he is being watch. Sometime they even ping to let them know . That is how the game is played during the cold war.
 
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Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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Blackstone said:
It's believable no serious nuclear accidents occurred, but it's not believable the USN, ROKN, and IJN didn't detect China's noisy first gen SSNs on some of their patrols.
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Now between the ONI that said Chinese submarine rarely went on patrol and The new revelation that they indeed did patrol quite a lot. One of them must be lying or the other guy doesn't know what he is talking about. so take you pick.

Considering the context of heated war of word between Japan and China, when this new is broached . They did indeed serve as warning that China can retaliate if need be irrespective of admiral Yin Zuo denial
So the chance that the Chinese is lying is minimal. For a long time they keep a low profile . I guess the time has come to let the other know to avoid miscalculation

They way the game is played during the cat and mouse game of the cold war era. You let the other know that he is being watch. Sometime they even ping the opp force

Plus you have active and passive sonar to know your environment or if you are being watched
 
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Jeff Head

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Hendrik_2000 said:
They way the game is played during the cat and mouse game of the cold war era. You let the other know that he is being watch. Sometime they even ping the opp force
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Actually, in the vast, vast majority of cases, US submariners did not let the Russians know they were being watched.

They just gathered the info in a clandenstine fashion and took it home so progress could be made against the Russians without them even knowing. THAT was how the game was really played.

The cost of letting them know you were there when they otherwise did not know it, was simply too great. You end up giving away to much about your own capabilities...not to mention your position.

If there was a real chance of collission or other dangers outside of the constraints of their mission profile they might do so...but they were very reluctant to do so because of the reasons I just gave.
 
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Jeff Head

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FarkTypeSoldier said:
Are you serious... that IJN still exists today?
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Hehehe...clearly he meant the JMSDF.

Although some like to clainm Abe is the reincarnation of the IJN...but I think that is too far a stretch. He is conservative no doubt, very conservative. But claimes that he is a throw back to Tojo are the same type of posturing, IMHO, from the other side.
 
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Preux

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Jeff Head said:
Hehehe...clearly he meant the JMSDF.

Although some like to clainm Abe is the reincarnation of the IJN...but I think that is too far a stretch. He is conservative no doubt, very conservative. But claimes that he is a throw back to Tojo are the same type of posturing, IMHO, from the other side.
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Oh, he may think it is a pretty swell idea for Japan to be the leader of East Asia and China to be weak and beholden.

And I want a 50 million dollar salary and a 3 hour work week. The chances of what he wants happening, let alone the creaking machinery that is Japanese government getting behind it is next to nil.

And nobody in any serous place had really gone so far as to call him a Togo yet, just that he's upsetting the rather delicate diplomatic situation in East Asia, which he certainly is. But then this man is known for his big fat gob (along with much of his inner circle, one former PM Aso, for example told Japanese pensioners that they should probably die because they are a drain on state resources... I wish I was joking).

Anyway, this is off topic.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Jeff Head said:
Hehehe...clearly he meant the JMSDF.

Although some like to clainm Abe is the reincarnation of the IJN...but I think that is too far a stretch. He is conservative no doubt, very conservative. But claimes that he is a throw back to Tojo are the same type of posturing, IMHO, from the other side.
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IJN isn't "dead" and if you look at how the JMSDF was born and its founding personnel, you'd find a lot of familiar faces from the "old IJN", even their colors carries from the "old IJN"...the only difference is that the JMSDF got more "Americanised". The "old IJA" though, is very much dead, eventhough a few "old IJA" officers made it back into the JGSDF ranks, the core of the "old IJA" weren't.

Anyway, that's the end of off-topic for me...

Now, the reason of all the recent fanfare surround the PLAN sub fleet is mainly they got their own nuclear vessel decommissioning capability, the full service, the only one outside the US....so, as the PLAN claims, no more letting the decommissioned hull rusting away at some deserted waters, when a nuclear sub decommissioned the radioactive stuff will be safely handled, and the hull will be safe enough even to be use as museum exhibits. They still haven't say where they'll send the 401 to, however.
 
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