PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[antiterror13]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Actually, it sounds to me like he did. But I wasn't perfectly clear, so I asked. He decided to be cryptic about it, but w/e



That would be the equivalent of the US agreeing to develop the F-22 with another country. This involves the highest level of technology that China is capable of, and I just don't think China trusts Pakistan enough to share this technology with them. Pakistan may be a closer ally of China than the US, but I have no doubt that absolute trust between China and Pakistan does not exist.

There is no such thing of "ABSOLUTE TRUST" ... noway, even the USA and the Bristish

 

[Mysterre]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

There is no such thing of "ABSOLUTE TRUST" ... noway, even the USA and the Bristish

And so? The US didn't give the F-22 to the British either.

 

[jacksprat]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I see the 052C's but not the two subs. Those green wrapped items are oil tanks for an oiler

 

[stardave]

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And so? The US didn't give the F-22 to the British either.

Maybe not F-22, but they did give the British the Trident II ballistic missile, which in theory, if they want, they can use it to wipe out half of the population of US in an instant.

I call that some very high level of trust, even a little bit stupid as well.

 

[escobar]

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I call that some very high level of trust, even a little bit stupid as well.

Why? For me it was a very good decision. After that you see how the relation between the two countries has evolved.
The US has many ally but UK is an ally of another kind.

 

[Mysterre]

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Maybe not F-22, but they did give the British the Trident II ballistic missile, which in theory, if they want, they can use it to wipe out half of the population of US in an instant.

I call that some very high level of trust, even a little bit stupid as well.

Not really. The British already had nuclear weapons, so selling them nukes for a profit, knowing exactly what they have, and controlling their supply isn't really stupid at all.

 

[stardave]

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Not really. The British already had nuclear weapons, so selling them nukes for a profit, knowing exactly what they have, and controlling their supply isn't really stupid at all.

By the same logic, China should sell DF-41 to Pakistan as well, since they already have nuclear weapons.

And no, whatever British had, it was not nearly as good as Trident II, 11,300km range, 12 MIRV.

To my opinion, a country should NEVER give another country strategic weapons like this, no matter how close you are.

 

[Mysterre]

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By the same logic, China should sell DF-41 to Pakistan as well, since they already have nuclear weapons.

And no, whatever British had, it was not nearly as good as Trident II, 11,300km range, 12 MIRV.

To my opinion, a country should NEVER give another country strategic weapons like this, no matter how close you are.

You mean DF-31A; there is no DF-41. Regardless, UK and Pakistan are two entirely different beasts. UK could easily develop a Trident-like missile/warhead if it wanted to. Pakistan will not be able to develop a DF-31A-type missile for decades. Pakistan is also an unstable government constantly in danger of being overrun by extremists as well as sharing its bed with the US, no less. Does UK share its bed with Russia or China? The whole point is, if a country can easily develop the tech, there is no point in not selling them your tech, for profit. This has been Russia's entire economic model for arms sales to China. On the other hand, your highest-tech stuff isn't likely to be sold to your friends, no matter how good they are. Even with Russia's T-50, you can bet it's going to treat India like the US is treating its F-35 partners: "just give me the money. And don't ask for the source code". Bottom line, I would be utterly shocked if China and Pakistan are co-developing a new type 095 SSN. China certainly doesn't need the cash, and also isn't likely to want to give away the secrets of its top of the line nuke sub to a country who could potentially sell it to the US.

 

[timepass]

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You mean DF-31A; there is no DF-41. Regardless, UK and Pakistan are two entirely different beasts. UK could easily develop a Trident-like missile/warhead if it wanted to. Pakistan will not be able to develop a DF-31A-type missile for decades. Pakistan is also an unstable government constantly in danger of being overrun by extremists as well as sharing its bed with the US, no less. Does UK share its bed with Russia or China? The whole point is, if a country can easily develop the tech, there is no point in not selling them your tech, for profit. This has been Russia's entire economic model for arms sales to China. On the other hand, your highest-tech stuff isn't likely to be sold to your friends, no matter how good they are. Even with Russia's T-50, you can bet it's going to treat India like the US is treating its F-35 partners: "just give me the money. And don't ask for the source code". Bottom line, I would be utterly shocked if China and Pakistan are co-developing a new type 095 SSN. China certainly doesn't need the cash, and also isn't likely to want to give away the secrets of its top of the line nuke sub to a country who could potentially sell it to the US.

To shut your nonsense, Pakistan (Govt & People) don’t trust uncle SAM at all & on other hand Chinese are very very close to Pakistan.

Here are some joint ventures in defense field on which Chinese & Pakistani are working together:

1. JF-17
2. J10B
3. F22P
4. FACs (Azamt class)
5. Quing SSK
6. ZAK (Awacs)
7. Cheshma Nuclear Plant

And list goes on….

Do want you want to know more???

With your comment on DF31 that Pakistan need ages to reach their, than my friend please the below FYI:

1. Ghauri Series (from 150KM – 3500KM)
2. Shaheen Series (from 500 – 7000KM)
3. Ra’ad Cruise Missile (up to 2500KM)
4. Babar Cruise Missile (up to 700KM)

I hope you are waked up now.

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You mean DF-31A; there is no DF-41. Regardless, UK and Pakistan are two entirely different beasts. UK could easily develop a Trident-like missile/warhead if it wanted to. Pakistan will not be able to develop a DF-31A-type missile for decades. Pakistan is also an unstable government constantly in danger of being overrun by extremists as well as sharing its bed with the US, no less. Does UK share its bed with Russia or China? The whole point is, if a country can easily develop the tech, there is no point in not selling them your tech, for profit. This has been Russia's entire economic model for arms sales to China. On the other hand, your highest-tech stuff isn't likely to be sold to your friends, no matter how good they are. Even with Russia's T-50, you can bet it's going to treat India like the US is treating its F-35 partners: "just give me the money. And don't ask for the source code". Bottom line, I would be utterly shocked if China and Pakistan are co-developing a new type 095 SSN. China certainly doesn't need the cash, and also isn't likely to want to give away the secrets of its top of the line nuke sub to a country who could potentially sell it to the US.

To shut your nonsense, Pakistan (Govt & People) don’t trust uncle SAM at all & on other hand Chinese are very very close to Pakistan.

Here are some joint ventures in defense field on which Chinese & Pakistani are working together:

1. JF-17
2. J10B
3. F22P
4. FACs (Azamt class)
5. Quing SSK
6. ZAK (Awacs)
7. Cheshma Nuclear Plant

And list goes on….

Do want you want to know more???

With your comment on DF31 that Pakistan need ages to reach their, than my friend please the below FYI:

1. Ghauri Series (from 150KM – 3500KM)
2. Shaheen Series (from 500 – 7000KM)
3. Ra’ad Cruise Missile (up to 2500KM)
4. Babar Cruise Missile (up to 700KM)

I hope you are waked up now.

 

[Broccoli]

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What work has Pakistan done in J-10B project? And there is no Shaheen missile with 7000km range. All sources tell me that Ra'ad has a range of under 400km at this moment, and that's a quite far away from 2500km.