PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[Lion]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Pakistan requirment is for a submarine which can operate far from home shores and work completely independently, currently no nuclear Chinese submarine fulfills this requirment

Pakistan submariners are risk takers and brave, in 1971 war Pakistan submarine scored first submarine kill since WWII when PNS Hangor sunk ASW frigate INS Khukri and damaged INS Kirpan, the PNS Ghazi was sent thousands of miles away to to the bay of bengal to hunt down the lone Indian aircraft carrier

If Pakistan navy gets a SSN it will be tasked to hunt down Indian aircraft carriers and disturb Indian naval operations as much as possible

Any nuclear sub is designed to be operate from far ashore. This included Chinese nuclear sub. Unless you are talking about replenish ammunition and food which will only be the factor limiting the nuclear sub endurance.

 

[Rauf]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Rumor is that PN is seekign help with Haul of SSN, and trying or in process of building inhouse miniature nealcer reactor. Again these are hear say speculations, no concerete word from PN.

PS: There was a rumor in the past ( 12 odd months ) of PN being interested in type 91 for lease, can PLN afford to lease one ? also there is talk of diplomatic preasure from west over such deal.

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Rumor is that PN is seekign help with Haul of SSN, and trying or in process of building inhouse miniature nealcer reactor. Again these are hear say speculations, no concerete word from PN.

PS: There was a rumor in the past ( 12 odd months ) of PN being interested in type 91 for lease, can PLN afford to lease one ? also there is talk of diplomatic preasure from west over such deal.

Never heard anything like it, and there is next to no chance in adding in something like Type 091 as it hadn't even served PLAN successfully and has been a first attempt in making SSN, almost experimental submarines why would anyone want them it would probably be a very dangerous risk

Pakistan is in close talks with China in designing and construction of a SSN specific to Pakistans requirements, in the process Pakstan will learn a great deal and the process will be very beneficial to both sailors, in the process Type 095 SSN wil be commissioned which will be a world class nuclear submarine capable to escort carrier strike groups, if PN sailors get to train on board and spend time with their Chinese counterparts learning the ins and outs of operating nuclear submarines it would be a great learning experience

Then when Pakistan is ready we can get a SSN from China and only then if a second one is required we would think of making it inside Pakistan

Nuclear submarine business is a high profile business and has to be well planned with minimum profiling otherwise situation can get very hot very fast, just outright leasing a submarine is easy part, but making it a success if the hard part

 

[Mysterre]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Pakistan is in close talks with China in designing and construction of a SSN specific to Pakistans requirements, in the process Pakstan will learn a great deal and the process will be very beneficial to both sailors, in the process Type 095 SSN wil be commissioned which will be a world class nuclear submarine capable to escort carrier strike groups

Are you trying to imply that the 095 has any Pakistani involvement in the design or production? Because that's what it sounds like.

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Are you trying to imply that the 095 has any Pakistani involvement in the design or production? Because that's what it sounds like.

You can conclude whatever you want I can't be any clearer

 

[Mysterre]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

You can conclude whatever you want I can't be any clearer

Where is the evidence that the PLAN is collaborating with Pakistan in designing the 095 or even intends to sell 095 technology to any outsider?

 

[antiterror13]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Where is the evidence that the PLAN is collaborating with Pakistan in designing the 095 or even intends to sell 095 technology to any outsider?

Asif obviously didn't say that .. just stop this non sense.

091 in service was not the first SSN China has designed and built. The first one was 091 - 401, and it has been de-commissioned long time ago. The latter, especially 404 and 405 are totally different beast and all four 091 in service have been upgraded heavily nowhere near the one China first developed in 70s.

Building SSN is true a serious business, India hasn't managed it, whatever some Indians may claim they had ... they HAVEN'T

Only the US, Russia, British, China and France so far have managed that ... and I don't think it will change in the next 5 years

 

[timepass]

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Plus there were news on the different forums (PAKDEF etc) that PN officials extensively involve with their Chinese counter parts in the development of QUING class (SSK) as they are having enough experience with Augusta 90B with AIPs plus Germans & French gave them handsome info about their products (U-214 & Merlin) which PN is trying to incorporate in QUING class with SLCM (Babur) launch through tubes, same as like tailor made JF17 for PAF.

Furthermore, 6 SUBS are never the less is confirmed through PN sources (please don’t ask me for links).

Well as I mentioned in this above post, that PN is extensively involved with Chinese counterparts in the development of QUING class hence you can’t discount either if they are also involved in 095.

 

[Mysterre]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Asif obviously didn't say that .. just stop this non sense.

Actually, it sounds to me like he did. But I wasn't perfectly clear, so I asked. He decided to be cryptic about it, but w/e

Well as I mentioned in this above post, that PN is extensively involved with Chinese counterparts in the development of QUING class hence you can’t discount either if they are also involved in 095.

That would be the equivalent of the US agreeing to develop the F-22 with another country. This involves the highest level of technology that China is capable of, and I just don't think China trusts Pakistan enough to share this technology with them. Pakistan may be a closer ally of China than the US, but I have no doubt that absolute trust between China and Pakistan does not exist.

 

[timepass]

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That would be the equivalent of the US agreeing to develop the F-22 with another country. This involves the highest level of technology that China is capable of, and I just don't think China trusts Pakistan enough to share this technology with them. Pakistan may be a closer ally of China than the US, but I have no doubt that absolute trust between China and Pakistan does not exist.

You can put it in on the same way like how Uncle Sam treats Israel, the pamper boy.