PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Blitzo

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If the story is true it'll be the first time Liaoning leave the duckpond for the swimming pool, not open waters yet but things take one step at a time.

As to your question to why no 052C, remember all the available 052C DDGs goes either assigned to the ESF or SSF, NSF is still the most mix-bagged fleet of the 3. In short, this formation is NSF elements, primary serves in riding shotgun role during transit. If to include the 052C from SSF into the mix (if they ain't out at Gulf of Aiden or other assignment elsewhere) it can be very do when the "Liaoning battlegroup" reached South Sea region.

The same thing might be also said for the newer SSNs, as thus far most intel points to they are assigned to the SSF as well. Well you get the idea.

Yes I agree.

I think the question is less "why are there no 052Cs in NSF" than "why is liaoning in NSF" and it may be for a variety of reasons,including geography. It would be the safest out of the three fleets geographically after all. Best place for a fledging carrier crew to earn their stripes.

I expect the PLAN will be very flexible with their task force compositions (as we've seen for everything from long range training missions to Aden missions) so there's definitely no reason why they couldn't mix and match assets from the three fleets to form the liaonings CVBG in whatever incidence in future.
At the very least the PLANs surface combatant force int formidable enough to create permanent CSGs and escorts, nor would that be logical at this time and moment,
 

Preux

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I don't trust sina.com but I saw a similar write up posted on CDF and this kind of claim (and mission/test) would be expected about now anyway. We will see very quickly, if it is legitimate or not.

Here's to hoping for good pictures.


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My confusion is why is the PLAN lumping their lone aircraft carrier with 051Cs rather than more capable air defense ships like 052C? That isn't to say the 051Cs are lightweights, but it seems a little counter intuitive especially when 051C doesn't have full 360 SAM coverage and their steam turbine propulsion is inferior to more modern gas turbines.

We all know the real reason is to collect the four Sovremenny destroyers and a pair of Varshavyankas to join the costume ball. I hear they are going as the VMF!
 

plawolf

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Yes I agree.

I think the question is less "why are there no 052Cs in NSF" than "why is liaoning in NSF" and it may be for a variety of reasons,including geography. It would be the safest out of the three fleets geographically after all. Best place for a fledging carrier crew to earn their stripes.

I expect the PLAN will be very flexible with their task force compositions (as we've seen for everything from long range training missions to Aden missions) so there's definitely no reason why they couldn't mix and match assets from the three fleets to form the liaonings CVBG in whatever incidence in future.
At the very least the PLANs surface combatant force int formidable enough to create permanent CSGs and escorts, nor would that be logical at this time and moment,

Well I think it is as much about politics as it is about possible safety concerns that the Liaoning went to the NSF. Of the three fleets, the NSF is the one least likely to cause undue concern among China's neighbours.

Putting the Liaoning in the SSF would alarm The Philipines and Vietnam and probably also India. Sending her to the ESF might scare Taiwan and risk damaging warming relations.

For the NSF, NK is always alarmed no matter what; SK won't feel too threatened and I think at this point Beijing would count alarming Japan as a plus, so its an easy decision to base the Liaoning with the NSF. The naming of her after the North Eastern Provence where the NSF is based was probably a very obvious give away about where the PLAN intended to base her.

Geographically, basing the Liaoning with the NSF also allows they to easily use the Yellow Sea, and especially the Bohai region for more sensitive training with the least risk of foreign subs snooping nearby.

But I also agree with you that the fleets are not rigid structures, and ultimately all three fall under the PLAN's central command, so it matters little which fleet the Liaoning is based with since the PLAN will pick and match their best assets to form her battlegroup when she is deployed on real missions.

For the moment, the 051Cs and 054A escort is more than adequate for a no risk training voyage.

It may well be that additional fleet elements from the ESF and SSF will meet up with the Liaoning after she has reached her intended operating area in the SSF, but the PLAN may not bother this time since the focus of the training would almost certainly be on flight ops rather than fleet maneuvers, so it really makes very little difference what her escorts consist of as it is little more than babysitting duties.

In that light, the 051Cs would make more sense since the PLAN would probably prefer to keep their 052Cs ready and available in case some emergency develops that might require their urgent deployment.
 

chuck731

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Liaoning is not yet an operational carrier, why would she deploy with 052C? Since she is China's first carrier and completed(?) less than 2 years ago, the bulk of serious support/maintenance expertise for her and her systems are likely still concentrated at the hands of her builder. At the same time she is not really operational for any stretch of imagination, and will likely be engaged in an extended period of trial/shakedown/training. So it simply makes more sense to keep her nominal fleet affiliation and home base for now close to the yard best suited to undertaking any inspection/maintenance/modification/upgrade found necessary during that time. That would be Dalian. Hence NSF.
 

Gorthaur

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Maybe they are also thinking keeping 052C's in SSF and ESF and assigning 052D's to NSF since there is no hurry. So they would have Liaoning ready, it's air wing ready and the screen ready at about the same time.
 

Franklin

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The old patern of a few weeks rest and a few weeks at sea. I wish they would increase the intensity of their training by going out to sea more often. Why do they need to spend so much time in port anyway ? The crew of the Liaoning has been working and living on that ship for more than a year. They know their tasks and the ship inside out by now. They have qualified about 20 pilots now if each time they go out to sea they qualify a batch of 5 pilots per sea trial. The J-15 is suppose to be in production from the middle of this year. So then they have all the pieces in their hands the ship, the crew, the pilots and the aircraft is in production. So how long will it take before they put all those pieces together ?

I hope to see some night flying this time.
 

xiabonan

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The Liaoning has her J15 landed in the evening. Sorry I can't post the pictures directly because the image size exceeds my quota. This is the link of the thread on CJDBY forum. Not sure if subsequent night operations are carried out. These seemed to be screenshots of a CCTV video. I'll try to find that video and post later
 

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Okay basically this short video clip by originally reported by CCTV7 confirms the news that the Liaoning is going to the South Sea with destroyers and frigates, and claims that this is "part of the scheduled training" that's already planned long ago. It also mentioned trainings that are already completed, this includes a "full-load take off and landing" and stuff like "short take-off and landing", "certification of pilots", as well as "take-off and landings under harsh weather conditions". However no night operations are mentioned in the video. The guy being interviewed in the video is the captain of Liaoning.
 

Blackstone

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Okay basically this short video clip by originally reported by CCTV7 confirms the news that the Liaoning is going to the South Sea with destroyers and frigates, and claims that this is "part of the scheduled training" that's already planned long ago. It also mentioned trainings that are already completed, this includes a "full-load take off and landing" and stuff like "short take-off and landing", "certification of pilots", as well as "take-off and landings under harsh weather conditions". However no night operations are mentioned in the video. The guy being interviewed in the video is the captain of Liaoning.

Still only test planes 552 and 553, but good to see landing at dusk at the end of the video. Hope to see some nighttime operations soon.
 
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