PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Jeff Head

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The following video is in Chinese...but it is a very good documentary by CCTV about the Liaoning and its history. I cannot understand but very little (like greeting and directions) Chinese, but the video clearly gives a good account of the development. It's 21 minutes long and worth watching.


[video=youtube;UpxAMSu4pAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxAMSu4pAc[/video]

I had not seen it before, but it appears well done.
 
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volleyballer

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What a treat for those guys...and a great gesture by the US Navy.


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Wow. That is amazing that the USN is doing this. It's just the kind of trust building exercises that will help to remove Chinese suspicions. Hoping to see more of it. Hopefully, the Chinese will invite the USN to do something similar. Not just sightseeing around bases looking at 60 year old AA guns. :p
 

Dannhill

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Gold plated Liaoning model as a souvenir for RMB$2,000
Had to take a fast photo as I'm sure the sales staff won't let me take a shot at all.

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TyroneG

Banned Idiot
Wow. That is amazing that the USN is doing this. It's just the kind of trust building exercises that will help to remove Chinese suspicions. Hoping to see more of it. Hopefully, the Chinese will invite the USN to do something similar. Not just sightseeing around bases looking at 60 year old AA guns. :p

Military Servicemen to Military Servicemen are traditionally always cordial.

It's the policiticans, lawyer makers, civilian guys who's sitting behind the desk and pushing all the buttons are the ones most antagonistic.
 

escobar

Brigadier
:)

[video=youtube;JH0DukaPonE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH0DukaPonE[/video]

[video=youtube;J762OUMwwa8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J762OUMwwa8[/video]
 

Franklin

Captain
Sea trials under shipyard

first sea trial (10 august 2011 – 13 august 2011) (3 days)
second sea trial (28 november 2011 – 10 december 2011) (12 days)
third sea trial (20 december 2011 – 29 december 2011) (9 days)
fourth sea trial (7 january 2012 – 16 january 2012) (9 days)
fifth sea trial (19 april 2012 – 30 april 2012) (11 days)
sixth sea trial (7 may 2012 – 16 may 2012) (9 days)
seventh sea trial (23 may 2012 – 1 june 2012) (9 days)
eighth sea trial (7 june 2012 – 21 june 2012 ) (14 days)
ninth sea trial (6 july 2012 – 30 july 2012) (24 days)
tenth sea trial (27 august 2012 – 30 august 2012) (3 days)

under shipyard total 103 days at sea in 1 year and 20 days

Sea trials under PLAN (commissioned on 25 september 2012)

first sea trial (11 october 2012 – 30 october 2012) (19 days)
second sea trail (12 november 2012 – 25 november 2012) (13 days)
third sea trial (11 june 2013 - 3 july 2013) (22 days)
fourth sea trial (15 august 2013 - 23 august 2013) (8 days)
fifth sea trial (1 september 2013 - 21 september 2013) (20 days)
sixth sea trial (23 october 2012 - 11 november 2013) (19 days)

under PLAN total 101 days at sea in 1 year and 1 months and 17 days

total days at sea 204 days in 2 years and 3 months and 1 day
 

peterAustralia

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Looking at that youtube video of the plane taking off from the carrier, I was suprised by how slow it seemed to be when it left the bow. Obviously it was fast enough, going into the wind, the ski jump, and the speed of the carrier all make take-off easier. I was suprised that the start of the take off run seemed to be only about halfway down the length of the ship.

If the takeoff roll started from near the stern, there would be more length to accellerate and allow a faster take off speed.

Doing the maths, assume carrier is 300m long and at present they are using 150m takeoff roll
assume accelleration is half a G = 5m/s/s,
formula, v^2=u^2 + 2as.

Takeoff for 150m
v^2=2*5*150
thus v=38.7 meters per second = 75knots.
please note 75 knots if plane speed relative to ship, it does not include ship speed and wind speed


Takeoff speed for 300m
v^2=2*5*300
thus v= 54.7m/s = 106knots

Thus having an extra 150m of runway allows for approximatley a 30 knot higher takeoff speed. This means more lift, thus more weight, thus more stores, more fuel etc.

Is 0.5G a reasonable accelleration for a large loaded jet?


Of course planes cant take off from the stern on a conventional carrier, as that would get in the way of the angled landing deck, which has to be kept free in emergencies. (landings)

A catamaran carrier with 2 non angled and parallel strips would have advantage if you had to design a carrier without a catapult. Heaps of hangar space below, thus no need to store planes on top of deck. One runway would be used for landing, and one for takeoff. The takeoff runway would have a ski ramp the landing runway not. Additionally STOL aircraft for AEW, fly-in of stores etc, could use the landing deck occasionally (apparently STOL aircraft cant use a ski ramp?). Having two parallell runways means no conflict, thus take-off runs could start from near the stern of the ship, allowing for heavier loads. Disadvantage would be more weight in a carrier, design risk too.

I know there was a sketch in this thread a few weeks ago of a catamaran carrier (a pretty useless design sketch I have to admit) . I have drawn up a sketch of a catamaran carrier, but dont want to put it in this thread. I think there was a thread for new carrier ideas on this forum a couple years back. If I can find it again I might post some ideas in that, and not hijack this thread.

Landings would be easier due to having a longer runway to land on (a full 300m), additionally runway would not be angled, it would be straight, making things all in all a bit easier.

Anyone recall the thread I am talking about
 
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