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Max Demian said:
Well, you can either believe that what he says is true and end the discussion right there, or you can examine the actual facts available.

And the facts are that the US has been launching full sized aircraft since 2010 with an EMALS system, with photos to show.

How many comparable launches by the Chinese EMALS system?
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:) LOL You are right both our argument and opinion are strictly academic.

So what you are trying to do is to claim SUCCESS for the US EMALS program based on just selective release of some photos, etc.

BUT BUT!!

Is the USA EMALS system a 100% fully working and operational system yet or they are still testing it, this time onboard the CVN-78 Gerald Ford? We know the cost of EMALS has been escalating and now it almost 2.5 to 3X its estimate cost of US $317.7 million budget.
And the most crucial problem is appearing? There has been massive change to the original configuration onboard the CVN-78 e.g. EMALS configuration changes have already forced electrical, wiring, and other changes within the ship; and instead of just being hoisted into place.

As far as I know, the US has been testing their EMALS at Lakehurst land-based facility mostly with dead-load launches (non-aircraft, weight equivalent, simulated launches. Based on the Jan 28/14: DOT&E Testing Report, the reported failure rate is presently five times higher than should be expected.

:) I will certainly take all these reports including those from China with a pinch of salt. But so far IMO the Chinese stories have always been more consistent, plausible and reliable than those success stories from USA. The American tends to faunts their initial sucess much to early.

I have to go now.

Cheers!
 
kwaigonegin

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Which is why I hate all this country A vs country B type comparo. At the end of the day it doesn't matter. As long as you have an EMALS systems that is within the specifications of the scope, is realible, safe and can effectively launch the types of aircraft you intend off the deck why does it matter whose is more advanced?

Admr Ma needs to talk specifically about China's own EMALS and the specific goals achieved, progress made, certification process, the testing phase and timelines. That type of data is far more valuable. Comparing it to the US or any country for that matter is meaningless.
 
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kwaigonegin said:
Which is why I hate all this country A vs country B type comparo. At the end of the day it doesn't matter. As long as you have an EMALS systems that is within the specifications of the scope, is realible, safe and can effectively launch the types of aircraft you intend off the deck why does it matter whose is more advanced?

Admr Ma needs to talk specifically about China's own EMALS and the specific goals achieved, progress made, certification process, the testing phase and timelines. That type of data is far more valuable. Comparing it to the US or any country for that matter is meaningless.
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Lol the problem is that the Chinese military has no incentive to provide the media or us with that kind of information -- if anything they would be more interested in keeping that kind of information closely held. So the Rear Admiral does not "need" to say anything -- in fact we should be thankful for the short few comments he made in the first place.

In the case of the EM cat project, I think the only reason he compares it with the US effort is because the US is the only other country developing EM cats, and is very high profile in nature, therefore the moment any layman considers the Chinese EM cat project the USN's EMALS is immediately brought into the picture.

I think everyone's getting a bit too worked up over the comparison... and tbh I would rather have that tangential remark of his than not have it. Because even if we don't know what basis he's making the comparison on or what the data and performance of the Chinese EM cat is like, it is still better than nothing and at least sheds some light as to how the Rear Admiral himself perceives the domestic EM cat and the USN's EM cat. Maybe his perception is off the mark, but it's definitely useful information.
 
manqiangrexue

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There's at least 2 reasons why he can't just talk about the specs of the Chinese EMALS:
1. That might be classified information.
2. Specifications (It can launch X aircraft per hour, imparting Y kN of force, etc...) means absolutely nothing to the laymen; that sort of info is only valued by rival navies.
3. Obviously, he has to compare to the US so the audience (who is not versed in naval standards) can get a grasp of how advanced the system is. If you're a reporter talking about how strong an Olympic discus thrower is, obviously, you should talk about what percent of the world record he's tossing; how far he throws compared to last year's champ or this year's rivals, etc... It means nothing if you say he can throw it X meters cus nobody knows if that puts him at a solid first, top 3, top 10, or nowhere when competition rolls around.
 
GreenestGDP

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IIRC, ... ...

1) Adm. MA Wei Ming and his Electrical Engineering team already finished producing a simultaneous AC--DC currents generator in 2008 when other nations frontline cutting edge Electrical Engineers and Scientists were still writing their thesis on the benefits of simultaneous AC--DC currents devices.

Adm. MA Wei Ming is way ahead of the curve from everybody else.


2) IEPS and EMAL system designed by Adm. MA Wei Ming and his Electrical Engineering team are using simultaneous AC--DC currents since 2012.

3) That is why Adm. MA Wei Ming and his Electrical Engineering team is designated as a PRC National Treasure.

4) Rumour has it that ... ...Adm. Wu Shen Li ( PLAN Head ) is paying the price by sitting in the back row for his conservative thinking and his conservative constraints in not applying innovative technical breakthrough tech from Adm. MA team in building PLAN ships.


NOTE:
Please don't ask me to explain what is so significant about applying simultaneous AC--DC currents on the IEPS and EMAL.

BTW, Superstar Scientists such as Adm. MA Wei Ming, Mr. YANG Wei have never studied abroad in any western nation. Otherwise, they may likely experienced the QIAN Xue Sen arrest and detention.
 
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Bltizo said:
For interest's sake, Huntington Ingalls shipyard carrier drydock (where USS Ford and other CVNs have been built) has a length of about 330 meters and a width of 38 meters ...
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Newport News "Drydock 12" has a length of 662 meters and a width of 76 meters.
 
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