PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

Bltizo said:

It is possible, however it is also worth considering that Rosyth drydock where the QE class CVFs were built, used the Goliath crane which was Chinese made, and appeared to be directly used for carrier construction without constructing a civilian ship (from what I understand).

Ultimately I feel like a product like a crane should have gone through necessary testing before being formally commissioned as operational, and of course proper design of a crane should also ensure that it and its related equipment are functioning as normal.

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In that case why no start building 002 next March?

Dannhill said:

I'd say this would qualify as perhaps "expert" gossip since it's not official.

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Chinese designed "special steel" is one of the items the article mentioned for CV02, so does that mean 01 either doesn't have special steel, or it uses non-special steel? Another possibility is 01 uses foreign designed special steel?

Blackstone said:

Chinese designed "special steel" is one of the items the article mentioned for CV02, so does that mean 01 either doesn't have special steel, or it uses non-special steel? Another possibility is 01 uses foreign designed special steel?

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Perhaps the change is caused by them reading about the Indian "special steel" that would not be available to China?

delft said:

Perhaps the change is caused by them reading about the Indian "special steel" that would not be available to China?

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That's possible; India's steel technology might be ahead of China. On the other hand, it's all but certain China stole special steel technology from other countries, so if special steel wasn't used on CV01, it might be because they couldn't replicate the formula in time.

Blackstone said:

That's possible; India's steel technology might be ahead of China. On the other hand, it's all but certain China stole special steel technology from other countries, so if special steel wasn't used on CV01, it might be because they couldn't replicate the formula in time.

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delft is, of course, being sarcastic. I couldn't tell from your post above whether you're being sarcastic, too. It could be either way.

As China's steel production is about as large as that of all other countries together it is unlikely that it is behind another country in more than a fraction of the steel field.

I agree with Bltizo that we should allow some "rumors" about Chinese military to be posted on SDF and as input to the relevant discussions. The nature of Chinese military watching is such that we can't just rely official announcements. As I see it, one of the strengths of SDF is to bring together many people with different professional backgrounds to analyze and dissect these "rumors" and other related information. The open access and rational discussions also make SDF very unique.

I also understand Jeff's concerns about turning SDF into a rumor mills about Chinese military, with members posting all kinds of unfounded rumors and fantasies. We really don't want SDF to become one of those Chinese defense forums with so much noises and garbage. One of the reasons I check SDF regularly is because SDF has largely kept up with the latest developments in Chinese military, but also filters out much of the noises. The key here is obviously that members exercise judgement and moderator discretion.

Fortunately, it's not very difficult to filter out the noises. Chinese official publications, academic publications, government media, official or semi-official websites (research institutes, supplier companies) are some of the relatively credible sources (although not always). Sites such as wantchinatimes are not. Most of the Chinese forum postings do not belong to this category, but a few "big shrimps" have been proved to be more credible.

So I think the continued success of the SDF relies on members and moderators both being professional and exercising judgement and discretion. It's a blessing that we have place like SDF, and we should all cherish it.

Blackstone said:

That's possible; India's steel technology might be ahead of China. On the other hand, it's all but certain China stole special steel technology from other countries, so if special steel wasn't used on CV01, it might be because they couldn't replicate the formula in time.

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Really? India's steel technology is better than China's? The reason that India had problem with steel for carrier is because it never build submarine with indigenous material. Any country which can make steel for submarine can make steel for carrier. US uses HY80. Chinese use 921A steel for conventional 039/039A submarines, which is equivalent to HY86. See


Chinese also produced over a million ton of ESR steel, which are stuff you make gun barrels from -- and much higher quality than structural steels. China made so much of this because of domestic need --- you make industrial molds and stuff such as nuclear reactor container vessels from. China is possibly using this stuff for deck which is better material than what US uses.

The reason why China had to license steel technology from Russia for Liaoning is because its an existing ship. On a new ship, China would substitute domestic material instead.

Blackstone said:

Chinese designed "special steel" is one of the items the article mentioned for CV02, so does that mean 01 either doesn't have special steel, or it uses non-special steel? Another possibility is 01 uses foreign designed special steel?

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According to Peoples Daily, 001A amongst other things, will have a new propulsion system, a new hull with Chinese-made special steel.

I don't think this picture has been posted before.

Look,
who was shadowing LiaoNing CV-16 in the background ?

USN Burke anyone ?

Can someone estimate -- how close is the distance from USN Burke to LiaoNing CV-16 ?