GreenestGDP
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Yes thats a burke
Seems somewhere between 0500 and 0900 a clock.
But wich date and location? Haha
I believe the USN shadowing occurred just a few days ago around 28 or 29 DEC 2015.
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I believe the USN shadowing occurred just a few days ago around 28 or 29 DEC 2015.
The Akizuki class has a raked main mast and is probably a closer fit. They are very capable JMSDF destroyers...but are usually not operating alone like this.
I'd be interested in knowing where this was? SCS? ECS? If it is JMSDF, it is much more likely to be ECS.
No matter...it is not unusual for nations to do this. China was using a Type 054A to shadow the USN LCS that went through the SCS, and used a Type 052C or D to shadow the Burke when it passed through the SCS.
There is nothing warlike, threatening, or untoward about a vessel shadowing other nation's groups on the high seas as long as they stay well off and do not hazard them...and as long as they do not willfully penetrate and interfere in an exclusion zone set up for specific exercises.
If that had happened, we would have heard all about it...no matter who did it, and no matter which sides were involved.
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China does produce a lot of steel -- but much of it is bulk steel, but it still need to import a lot of specialty steel. Make specialty steel is not easy -- purity and impurities, thermal treatments (to get into the right phase and grain size), hot/cold working, etc. While China is making progress both on commercial and military applications, they are still behind.
Having steel is only the first step -- you have to figure out how to wield the steel, and it's not trivial. When China build the first 052, it took the risk of using a new steel that is in development. It took months to figure out how to correctly wield the steel. One reason Indians are so proud of their new steel for the carrier is that it can be wielded without special processes. They are making good progress, but don't take it out of proportion. China is also making progress, but you need to compare it to the tech leader to see how much more China need to catch up.
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Officials Confirm Construction of First Domestic Chinese Aircraft Carrier
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January 4, 2016 4:30 PM
Undated photo of Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning. PLA Photo
China is in the midst of building its first domestic carrier, Ministry of National Defense officials confirmed last week.
During a press conference, spokesman Col. Yang Yuju told reporters construction was underway.
“After taking into account a range of factors, the relevant authorities launched work on developing a second aircraft carrier, and we are now undertaking our own indigenous design and construction,” he said, .
“We have a long coastline and a broad maritime jurisdiction… Defending national maritime security, and safeguarding sovereignty over territorial seas and over maritime rights and interests, are sacred duties of China’s armed forces.”
Follow on reports from Chinese state-controlled press said the People’s Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) new carrier was to field its – an unlicensed copy of the Russian Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker – displace about 50,000 tons and retain the short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) configuration of its Soviet-era carrier test platform – Liaoning.
The decisions the Chinese made in their new carrier point to a measured approach to the new ship – Type 001A.
“Compared with China’s first carrier… the second carrier will have more mature technology and performance, with better coordination between its systems,” wrote China’s state controlled Xinhua news wire.
From the information released by Chinese media, the carrier will be mostly similar to the Kusetnov-class template of Liaoning and absent a catapult launching system.
An undated photo of Chinese J-15 fighter in tests aboard Liaoning. PLAN Photo
“Future Chinese carriers will be fitted with catapults for fighter jets to take off on deck, but the process will be gradual since catapult take-off involves more complex technology,”.
The details of Type 001A around construction of a ship in a dry dock in China’s Dailan shipyard.
The construction of the ship resembled the builds of Soviet Kuznetsov-class carrier, reported Jane’s in September – a ship with a beam of 115 feet and a length of 866 feet.
Jane’s stopped short of declaring the ship the Type 001A but several experts confirmed to USNI News in September the ship was China’s first domestic carrier.
The unexpected confirmation of the Type 001A follows China’s irregular efforts of transparency in its military acquisition.
Ocean Development Report, China declared it would pursue development of its own domestic carrier program. It took six months for the detail to make it into the Western press.
, a Chinese party official declared construction of the first domestic aircraft carrier already underway with an eventual goal of four PLAN carriers but those comments were quickly scrubbed from state press.
A four-carrier force would mimic traditional carrier deployment patterns in which there are three carriers in maintenance or workups for every carrier deployed.
"We use the Liaoning to test the reliability and compatibility of systems on carriers, and to train personnel. The second carrier will mainly do what a genuine aircraft carrier is supposed to do: running combat patrols and delivering humanitarian aid."
The new carrier will distinguish itself from the Liaoning:
1. Designed to be combat operational
2. Modular construction
3. More advance power & propulsion, electronics and weapon systems than the Liaoning
The new carrier will distinguish itself from the Liaoning:
1. Designed to be combat operational
2. Modular construction
3. More advance power & propulsion, electronics and weapon systems than the Liaoning
Do you get excited when you look a nice weld beads or even know what beads are ?
I do, cause I weld and I am trained as a spectrometer technologist. If you can weld the steel with a standard MIG(GMAW) or stick process then the steel is nothing special !
Equation
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Nice, have you done TIG welding before?
Make no mistake, the Liaoning is going to be capable of combat operations if ever called upon.
Practically speaking, the Chinese could use the argument that it is a training carrier because it is their first carrier and of course they have a lot of training to do with it.
But I have noticed their exercises and qualifications, and everything they are doing could easily be advanced to combat whenever they choose to do so.
Now, I believe 001A is going to be an improvement by the Chinese on the basic Kuznetsov design in a number of ways...but the over-all size and function of 001A is going to be very similar to Liaoning.
Probably more hanger space. Probably better power distribution and control. Certainly more efficient use of the same spaces. Things like that which will improve the efficiency of the carrier and give the PLAN more experience, and take advantage of the logistical and training benefits of having another carrier so much like the first.
From there I believe the PLAN will move to a CATOBAR carrier with catapults. A full flat deck, and a little larger. Probably something akin to the US Kitty Hawk design.
I believe they will probably build a couple of those.
Then their 3rd phase will be towards nuclear powered carriers IMHO.
But time will tell.
I can tell you for sure that the Liaoning, if ever needed, will be able to perform full combat capabilities for the PLAN.
asif iqbal
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If you look at the Liaoning outfit it's fitted for war
Calling it Training is like JMSDF LHD is a DDG
And that pic doesn't look like a Burke from any angle trailing the Liaoning
Calling it Training is like JMSDF LHD is a DDG
And that pic doesn't look like a Burke from any angle trailing the Liaoning
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