PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

Yes thats a burke
Seems somewhere between 0500 and 0900 a clock.
But wich date and location? Haha

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GreenestGDP said:

I don't think this picture has been posted before.

Look,
who was shadowing LiaoNing CV-16 in the background ?

USN Burke anyone ?

Can someone estimate -- how close is the distance from USN Burke to LiaoNing CV-16 ?



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I am not sure it is a USN Burke.

Here is the pic at a little larger resolution.


Here is a US Burke class at about the same angle, but quite a bit closer:



Here's the Burke class scaled futher off:



and here's the shadow in the original picture at about the same scale.



The funnels and aft part of the ships look different.

The racked mast is similar.

It may be another vessel with a similar racked mast...there just looks to be something wrong with the comparison to a Burke.

I have not done a similar comparison to a Type 025D ot Type 052C.

Longer version of the raw footage of military brass visiting the Liaoning

nemo said:

The reason why China had to license steel technology from Russia for Liaoning is because its an existing ship. On a new ship, China would substitute domestic material instead.

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When it comes to steel, China's steel industry is second to none. They are also the world's largest ship building nation followed by Korea and Japan by a long margin.

The whole reason the PLAN picked up the hull of the Varyag was for two reasons, the first major reason was that a pound of steel on the Varyag was about 2-3 times less expensive than the going market price for new steel of the same grade and secondly it was to study or more like reconfirm the Soviet structural designs of their carriers and they also bought the blue prints to the Varyag.

EdT586 said:

When it comes to steel, China's steel industry is second to none. They are also the world's largest ship building nation followed by Korea and Japan by a long margin.

The whole reason the PLAN picked up the hull of the Varyag was for two reasons, the first major reason was that a pound of steel on the Varyag was about 2-3 times less expensive than the going market price for new steel of the same grade and secondly it was to study or more like reconfirm the Soviet structural designs of their carriers and they also bought the blue prints to the Varyag.

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welll, it is absolutely true that China produces the most steel by very wide margin, about 50% of world steel produce in China, China produced 823 MT steel while the second rank was Japan produced 110 MT in 2014. But China IS NOT the most advanced country in develop/produce the highest steel grade in the world. Japan, the US, Germany and a few others have more advanced technology in producing highest steel grade. But I do believe China can produce very high steel grade for the new carrier

antiterror13 said:

welll, it is absolutely true that China produces the most steel by very wide margin, about 50% of world steel produce in China, China produced 823 MT steel while the second rank was Japan produced 110 MT in 2014. But China IS NOT the most advanced country in develop/produce the highest steel grade in the world. Japan, the US, Germany and a few others have more advanced technology in producing highest steel grade

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They can produce whatever steel they need when they need it. The PLA's material acquisition branch through organs of the State Council will scrounge the world until they find it and then master it in making it themselves within their own industrial complexes. One thing you should know by now is that the PLA and China in general will always acquire the technology and produce it themselves, they will never be content in using someone else's "fabrique nationale". They are unlike India whom is merely happy in purchasing foreign hardware and using it.

EdT586 said:

They can produce whatever steel they need when they need it. The PLA's material acquisition branch through organs of the State Council will scrounge the world until they find it and then master it in making it themselves within their own industrial complexes. One thing you should know by now is that the PLA and China in general will always acquire the technology and produce it themselves, they will never be content in using someone else's "fabrique nationale". They are unlike India whom is merely happy in purchasing foreign hardware and using it.

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I don't disagree with any of yours except bringing up India in discussion ... big no

Jeff Head said:

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I am not sure it is a USN Burke.

Here is the pic at a little larger resolution.

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Here is a US Burke class at about the same angle, but quite a bit closer:

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Here's the Burke class scaled futher off:

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and here's the shadow in the original picture at about the same scale.

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The funnels and aft part of the ships look different.

The racked mast is similar.

It may be another vessel with a similar racked mast...there just looks to be something wrong with the comparison to a Burke.

I have not done a similar comparison to a Type 025D ot Type 052C.

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Wait does the Japanese navy havnt these masts that are so far angled back?
You do see the sun reflection in the aegis

If that's a foreign naval vessel we would see something on the news like when last time another USN ship trying to shadow CV-16.

There will be more USN Burke shadowing in the near future.

Personally, I think this is fantastic.
I hope USN will increase their shadowing intensity.
Because, it will keep the PLAN on their toes. Consequently, J-15 pilots will be more alert. I hope next time USN will bring 2 Burke and 1 Virginia, and 2 Raptors along to shadow LiaoNing CV-16 during these J-15 Take-Off and Landing exercise.

Meanwhile, PLAAF can bring their GX-6 to patrol around CV-16 ( trying to improve their Burke and Virginia database ) escorted by 2 PLAN J-11BH on the top and 2 Yuan SSK under the surface.


NOTE:
Please do not misunderstood me.
I am not drumming anything.