antiterror13
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wooow, it is indeed progressing very fast, wondering what the shape would be by the end of 2015
PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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wooow, it is indeed progressing very fast, wondering what the shape would be by the end of 2015
Yes...I now remember that. It was a two and a half years ago now..
But 99% of all Americans and other's world -wide would not know that ZPMC is Chinese.
Obama having his people place US Flags over those logos was simply another example of a weak administration's actions.
As I stated, when it comes to such Cranes, there are many of them (as I pointed out at Newport News) built by countries from all over the world, including the US>
It is really no issue, either way...except, as you state, when someone needlessly draws attention to it.
My point is as a moderator here on SD, that we do not need to do the same and use it here to score political/ideological points either.
So let's end this Off Topic issue at this point.
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plawolf
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All that tells me is that you clearly have never see how British and Chinese construction workers work first hand, nor know how much your typical British shipyard worker earns.
Simply put, not only do British workers cost significantly more (often many times more) compared to Chinese workers per man hour, the work ethic and attitude is completely different between the two sets, with Chinese workers being willing and able to work harder, longer with the same if not better quality of output and just get more done in the same amount of time.
So even if the RN had the PLAN's budget, the PLAN would still be able to get ships built faster and cheaper, all other things being equal.
There are good reason why manufacturing jobs have largely fled the developed world and ended up in places like China, South Korea and Japan, especially for complex "special engineering" projects like shipbuilding.
Chinese military shipbuilding has benefited massively from the infrastructure, technology and skilled workforce developed and sustained by its civilian shipbuilding industry. Although it is repaying that favour somewhat now, with its massive fleet building programme, which is at least partially a government stimulus programme intended to keep shipyards afloat during the downturn in global commercial shipping demand caused by recent events. But the PLAN is still getting a really good deal, maybe more so than usual since they would have significant leverage to squeeze the shipyards' profit margins.
In countries like the UK and US, where commercial shipbuilding has largely dried up, the military pay over the odds to support an industry that is simply not competitive on the civilian international market in the nation of national security.
It is the correct policy in my view, but the reality is that it also carries significant additional costs that the PLAN simply does not have to worry about.
I think thayt you had misunderstood what's the point of my post. I'm not saying that workers in Chinese shipyards can't weld or put things together. All I meant was the tempo. I'd love too a break down of costs building an aircraft carrier for USN, RN and PLAN. I bet that what you have to pay to the workers is marginal (but not small enough to be neglected in discussion) when you sum up the cost of entire vessel. For BMD capable warship the price of radar is much more than an empty hull.
In case of China the tempo is faster because they don't have to break up the budget for several years to build - they go and get their check ready and signed not worrying that the situation on financial matters could be worse a year or two ahead and they would have to cut down some other, less important projects. I'm sure that if you would pay British workers enough money and they wouldn't have to break down the construction to several places (for PR) they would complete the QE hulls in the same tempo as Chinese do. It's like everything in this world - you want something done faster? Pay more! That's how things work and China is no exception.
I wonder if they could add new modules at the rate of one per week. Possibly anywhere from one per week to one per two weeks. Lets see if another module pops up a week from now.
At this rate they could be adding extensions/overhangs by the end of the year.
Equation
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Possible but don't forget about all the piping, ducts, wires, and internal components and electronics as well running through those modules as well.
Winter is coming to the northern hemisphere and it is going to snow. They could surprise us by making an herculean effort to finish the top level and seal the deck before the snow comes, then do the internal part at their leisure shielded inside from the weather. Then we can at least see what the outline will look like.
Oh yes winter, that completely slipped out of my mind. It's very cold over there in Dalian wish the construction of this carrier was done in a warm city year round.
vesicles
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I think Dalian is a warm-water port??? The Liaoning was done in Dalian. If weather impeded the work, they would've changed the location for this one...
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