PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Sczepan

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my guess is that the first catapults will be tested on land (and perhaps already have been)
thats 4 sure, but following the first ship could be .... ?
Highly unlikely that the Chinese will ever go through the trouble or expense of installing a catapult on the Liaoning...or for that matter, IMHO...on the follow-on carrier that is built like the Liaoning.
it's indeed to expansive for Liaoning, and not comparable to ski jump in the bow section.
So the first possibility is a test catapult at the angled deck of Liaoning-Derivate
 

Jeff Head

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thats 4 sure, but following the first ship could be .... ? it's indeed to expansive for Liaoning, and not comparable to ski jump in the bow section.
So the first possibility is a test catapult at the angled deck of Liaoning-Derivate
Yes...that is a possibility. But my own feeling is that they will not do so.

I could be wrong, but I believe that they will use the 2nd carrier in the same way they are using the Liaoning and thereby get the benefit of those similar operations for training, logistics, etc.

Since they may already be building the CATOBAR carrier, I expect their first one will be with it.

We shall see.
 

Blitzo

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@Jeff Head:
I also think so. As it is the more likely solution.
- China mostly first build two ships, nearly identical, to test new types.
- A catapult in front of the landing deck interferes with the landing operations.

A catapult on the waist isn't that much of an issue -- most CATOBAR carriers of the world have at least one catapult on the waist, and they make it work.
Technically speaking, fitting a catapult or two on the waist of 001A (if it was designed for it) wouldn't really interfere with normal operations that much and could offer substantial additional capability in the ability to launch fixed wing AEW&C and heavier loaded fighters more reliably.

But I also believe 001A won't have catapults -- simply because 001A is meant to be the lower risk carrier compared to 002.
However I am also not too sure just how much logistical commonality 001A will have with Liaoning, for instance, while we broadly know 001A will still be a STOBAR carrier, we also expect it will have some improvements, so we don't know how many of Liaoning's major subsystems will be reused... will they use same aircraft elevator and munitions elevator designs, same internal mechanisms for the hangar, same internal arrangement of rooms and spaces, same combat system, etc...
 

Brumby

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But I also believe 001A won't have catapults -- simply because 001A is meant to be the lower risk carrier compared to 002.
Setting aside the greater risk theory in development path, are you satisfied that based on physical evidence seen to-date that 001A will be without catapults? I am not disputing, just asking.
 

Blitzo

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Setting aside the greater risk theory in development path, are you satisfied that based on physical evidence seen to-date that 001A will be without catapults? I am not disputing, just asking.

Oh, my position on 001A's STOBAR configuration has nothing to do with its present physical photo evidence, but rather based on the collective aggregation of credible rumours up to now.... (as well as applying some of my own logic)

Trying to guess whether 001A will have catapults or not simply based on pictures at this stage is impossible.
 

Blitzo

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Here is the newest pic of 001A from 从小就黑的专辑.;)

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Nice. I think this should set the hangar module question to rest (though really it never should have been a question to begin with).

I think this photo should be clear enough to be considered as visual confirmation of the hull's status as a carrier... though I understand if some members may still want to wait further. But at this stage I think the game is more or less done and we're just waiting for the final siren to ring.
 
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