PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Blitzo

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Wasn't it agreed upon that the Chinese are only building one vessel at the moment?

Yes, one vessel that we have presently identified, at DL.

I think we have all collectively considered the possibility that they might have started very early construction of 002 at JN based on a variety of rumours, but there is no truly reliable rumours or photo evidence of it. In other words, speculation exists, but nothing tangible.
 

asif iqbal

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To be honest 2 x Liaoning style STOBAR carriers would give China a very powerful naval projection capability

That would mean 2 x 24 = 48 fighters for cover over a combat zone anywhere around the world

And since they are STOBAR they could after a few years surge both at one

48 fighters in a combat zone would give China good air superiority over a large area, a island or a landmark

Add to that a landing party built around Type 071 LPD amphibous assult group and you will have a very powerful naval force
 

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I expect it will be two STOBARs that are very similar with some improvements to this second.

As Bltizo said, we have predicted this here on this forum for years.

I believe they will go from those two to a CATOBAR design, which will be the most ambitious project of their carrier efforts because they will literally be building that from scratch. Oh, they will have learned from US and other designs and will incorporate some of that into it...but that design will be truly Chinese, and uniquely Chinese.

It will be very interesting to see what it ends up looking like and how it is configured.

Will it be a super carrier with four cats? Or will it be more along the French design with two?

Will the Cats be steam or EM?

Will it be nuclear or conventional?

Will it have three elevators?

Will the island be aft, like the Ford...or more amidships?

As I say, the Chinese will be building that one to their own very unique requirements.

Personally I would not be surprised to see them build two of those aircraft carriers...and if they are being conservative, to see them with steam cats and conventional power.

But they may "leap forward," so to speak, and develop and build EM cats and nuclear power.

We will just have to wait and see.
 
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plawolf

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I think I will stick with my original prediction from years back - the Chinese will build a second carrier at one of the Southern yards at around a similar time to the Liaoning mod being built in Dalian.

The Dalian build, as the name suggests, will be a modest to heavily modified ship, but one which is unmistakably based on the Varyag/Liaoning baseline deisgn.

The Jiangnan build will be a lot more ambitious and may well look more like the new QEII class from the UK or be uniquely different.

These two ships, along with the Liaoning, will form the PLAN's testing, evaluation and training fleet.

Don't let the name fool you, all three will be fully combat capable, but since the PLAN isn't at war with anyone, or is predicted to be so anytime in the foreseeable future, these three ships will spend the lion share of their lives in or around home waters, conducting testing, evaluation and training missions rather than being sent out on patrols like western and Russian carriers.

When China is ready to start building the next gen follow-on class of carriers, I would expect one or all of these ships to have already first been used to test out and fine tune many of the new technologies intended for the new carrier.

As such, I fully expect one or all of them to one day be retrofitted with cats/EMALs, new gen defensive weapons and sensors etc.

Once the next gen of PLAN carriers start coming on line, one or more of these three carriers will probably be formally turned into a training and/or test ship. They will remain combat capable, but will probably be tasked with training and act as an operational strategic reserve for most of their service lives.

Basically, they will be full-time training carriers that can be pressed into action at short notice if a crises develops and China needs more carriers.

It will be the next gen carriers that will be forward deployed to foreign bases and/or regularly sent far from home on long patrols.
 

latenlazy

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I have a very *very* ambitious hypothesis about the possible carrier being built at Jiangnan. Assuming that the rumors of the EMALS test site being in Shanghai are true, what if the Jiagnan Carrier is a flattop meant to be the catapult tested? A rather baseless speculative idea I admit, but an interesting one nonetheless.
 

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Possible emals place in Shanghai, no steam cat developmental site found, so maybe not a likely hood or not yet built.

Yeah, we've been aware of that site at Shanghai for a while -- it could potentially be a catapult test site, and now that the development of the catapult is finished itself, we should wait and see whether the new line foundations at the naval test facility could be catapults.
 

Blitzo

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I expect it will be two STOBARs that are very similar with some improvements to this second.

As Bltizo said, we have predicted this here on this forum for years.

I believe they will go from those two to a CATOBAR design, which will be the most ambitious project of their carrier efforts because they will literally be building that from scratch. Oh, they will have learned from US and other designs and will incorporate some of that into it...but that design will be truly Chinese, and uniquely Chinese.

I personally believe (like plawolf) that the second indigenous carrier will be a CATOBAR design, mostly because of how the rumours of past years have played out.



I have a very *very* ambitious hypothesis about the possible carrier being built at Jiangnan. Assuming that the rumors of the EMALS test site being in Shanghai are true, what if the Jiagnan Carrier is a flattop meant to be the catapult tested? A rather baseless speculative idea I admit, but an interesting one nonetheless.

Like I said above, I think it's quite an accepted idea that JN's carrier would likely be CATOBAR, the question is whether its EM or steam.
It would be nice to know whether the speculated catapult test facility at Shanghai, and the new foundations at the Navy's existing naval-air test facility really are both catapults or not, and if they are, whether they are EM or steam.

That would obviously shed quite a bit of info as to the likelihood of 002 using EM or steam cats.
 
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