PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

TyroneG said:

I think it's bit more than that, USN might want to check out China's latest Naval ships, radar signals and other stuffs, but do you guys realize which ship CHina is sending to that exercise?? China is well aware of that and therefore sending its older type of ship there, None of that 054A, 052C or even 051C...etc. I think China is sending the outdated shenzhen the one still has the old type of crotale SAM.

No Way on Liaoning.

Japan has repeated invite PLAN to send its latest ships to Japan port for visit. China has turned it down. The purpose of this type of invitation is more likely to check out PLAN's assets.

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It is always a two edged sword. Why would USN and Japan be the only countries to receive the radar signals and other stuffs from China's latest ships when they went on an exercise together? China could also receive the radar signals and other stuff from USN and Japan's navy too.

Plus USN had made plenty of port visit to China's territory - like Hongkong. And if the sensitive signal and radar are to be recorded that easily, wouldn't China already have those in hand?

Plus what does China now had that Japan and US do not have? I am sure that China's 052 destroyers are plenty incredible, and comparable to some of the most advance ships in US arsenal, comparable, but not exceeding yet.

Also to ensure that others do not actually get any sort of reading... your ships shouldn't leave port at all.

At least that is what I think. Might not work at all in real world...

The only reason why China do not send Liaoning to the latest exercise might be because,

1) Liaoning had not yet had the full complement of aircrafts
2) Although trained, China is still not too confident on the crews of Liaoning, afterall, Liaoning was only in service not even for 1 year.
3) Liaoning was consider a training ship.

As to China turning down invitation to Japan, might simply means that China still didn't find relationship with Japan having attain a certain level of friendliness. Plus, if really China was afraid that Japan would check out her latest assets, she still had heaps of very old destroyers that can be sent there easily, without need to fear for Japan knowing of her technology.

TyroneG said:

I think it's bit more than that, USN might want to check out China's latest Naval ships, radar signals and other stuffs, but do you guys realize which ship CHina is sending to that exercise?? China is well aware of that and therefore sending its older type of ship there, None of that 054A, 052C or even 051C...etc. I think China is sending the outdated shenzhen the one still has the old type of crotale SAM.

No Way on Liaoning.

Japan has repeated invite PLAN to send its latest ships to Japan port for visit. China has turned it down. The purpose of this type of invitation is more likely to check out PLAN's assets.

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Err... for rimpac, it really depends on what kind of exercises PLAN vessels will be involved in. If it's just humanitarian relief, disaster response, or low level fire exercises, PLAN vessels won't even have an opportunity to use their sensitive radars (meaning US ships or aircraft can't garner useful signals at all). And I don't think anyone expects the PLAN ships will be used in any anti air exercises.

As for Japan, the refusal to send ships was politically grounded, not due to fears of signal gathering.

A ship shouldn't use its advanced MFRs or FCRs most of the time, and I bet whenever the PLAN know there are some USN or JMSDF ships or planes in the vicinity they immediately turn them off. Certainly in an international exercise like RIMPAC, PLAN can afford to.

joshuatree said:

I think it's Qingdao 113, Linyi, 547 (a type 054A), and Hongzehu 881?

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I believe those three ships recently departed to tour the US, Australia, and NZ, but they are just port visits, not for RIMPAC, which is next year.

adeptitus said:

At 0:29 of the video, is the J-15 taking off from #3 (?) position on the ship? It doesn't seem to be using the ramp for the lift-off.

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It's a touch and go.

Liaoning has returned to Dalian rather than Qingdao naval base. Possibly to make small modifications something after her trip out.

Sea trails under shipyard

first sea trial (10 august 2011 – 13 august 2011) (3 days)
second sea trial (28 november 2011 – 10 december 2011) (12 days)
third sea trial (20 december 2011 – 29 december 2011) (9 days)
fourth sea trial (7 january 2012 – 16 january 2012) (9 days)
fifth sea trial (19 april 2012 – 30 april 2012) (11 days)
sixth sea trial (7 may 2012 – 16 may 2012) (9 days)
seventh sea trial (23 may 2012 – 1 june 2012) (9 days)
eighth sea trial (7 june 2012 – 21 june 2012 ) (14 days)
ninth sea trial (6 july 2012 – 30 july 2012) (24 days)
tenth sea trial (27 august 2012 – 30 august 2012) (3 days)

under shipyard total 103 days at sea in 1 year and 20 days

Sea trials under PLAN (commissioned on 25 september 2012)

first sea trial (11 october 2012 – 30 october 2012) (19 days)
second sea trail (12 november 2012 – 25 november 2012) (13 days)
third sea trial (11 june 2013 - 3 july 2013) (22 days)
fourth sea trial (15 august 2013 - 23 august 2013) (8 days)

under PLAN total 62 days at sea in 10 months and 29 days

total days at sea 165 days in 2 years and 13 days

This means under the shipyard it was at sea for approx 27% of the time and under PLAN approx 19% of the time

If it wants to get similar hours under its belt it will have to sail in the sea for the rest of the pretty much 41 days of the remaining 56

asif iqbal said:

This means under the shipyard it was at sea for approx 27% of the time and under PLAN approx 19% of the time

If it wants to get similar hours under its belt it will have to sail in the sea for the rest of the pretty much 41 days of the remaining 56

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Being at sea, which means in transit out, on station, and in transit back, for 19% of the time is a fairly low number. It should be up over 30% or more during the time it is available for operations.

But they are coming up with brand new doctrine, policy and procedures, and they are training a whole crew in every aspect of the operation of that ship (which, in my mind, will ultimately require more time at sea)...they are also working out all of the bugs while they do that. So, for the time being I will give them the benefit of a doubt and see what happens.

Perhaps they are nearing the end of all of that. And, if they do go out for 2-3 months this fall all at once, their time at sea will improve markedly.

Jeff Head said:

Being at sea, which means in transit out, on station, and in transit back, for 19% of the time is a fairly low number. It should be up over 30% or more during the time it is available for operations.

But they are coming up with brand new doctrine, policy and procedures, and they are training a whole crew in every aspect of the operation of that ship (which, in my mind, will ultimately require more time at sea)...they are also working out all of the bugs while they do that. So, for the time being I will give them the benefit of a doubt and see what happens.

Perhaps they are nearing the end of all of that. And, if they do go out for 2-3 months this fall all at once, their time at sea will improve markedly.

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Jeff did you not post similar at sea dates for the Russian Kutz, how do they compare?

it looked more like a ceremony than anything else.



photo from **** forum

Jeff Head said:

Being at sea, which means in transit out, on station, and in transit back, for 19% of the time is a fairly low number. It should be up over 30% or more during the time it is available for operations.

But they are coming up with brand new doctrine, policy and procedures, and they are training a whole crew in every aspect of the operation of that ship (which, in my mind, will ultimately require more time at sea)...they are also working out all of the bugs while they do that. So, for the time being I will give them the benefit of a doubt and see what happens.

Perhaps they are nearing the end of all of that. And, if they do go out for 2-3 months this fall all at once, their time at sea will improve markedly.

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Ahem.. the record for consecutive days at sea by a conventionality powered carrier is held by the Mighty FID..Forrestal. First In Defense.

17–19 Aug 1988: After visiting Naples (11–16 August), the crew’s first time ashore in 108 days, Forrestal took part in National Week ’88 in the central Mediterranean

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No need for any ship to spend that many consecutive days at sea...really.