plawolf
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Actually, from the Chinese article, it didn't even specify that they two who died were pilots. Just comrades. So that could apply to anyone involved from designers, engineers right through to pilots and ship crew.
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Actually, from the Chinese article, it didn't even specify that they two who died were pilots. Just comrades. So that could apply to anyone involved from designers, engineers right through to pilots and ship crew.
Deino posted a nice summary of what actually happened over in the J-15 thread.
It's kind of sad/amusing how quickly this news was jumped upon without seeking further confirmation. But anyone who's read english translations of chinese articles, even from official "government" sources, should know to take it well salted.
In fact, I'd say half of the time official english written state media reports on PLA happenings are useless.
It's kind of sad/amusing how quickly this news was jumped upon without seeking further confirmation. But anyone who's read english translations of chinese articles, even from official "government" sources, should know to take it well salted.
In fact, I'd say half of the time official english written state media reports on PLA happenings are useless.
But are there any recent news lately ???
Nope...we've seen very little from CV-16 in the last year or so.
Actually since the first arrested landings and ski ramp launches two years ago not much. I was very excited when the first photos and videos were released. I even commented on how professional the flight deck crew appeared. I was impressed!
We still have not seen any sort of flight deck drills. Even an aircraft being fueled with a rigid (Charged) hose. I'm not sure bet the most aircraft we've seen on deck is three. And yes I know the J-15 is still in it's infant stage.
As I stated some time ago the PLAN CV program seems to be stagnated. Why is that? I sure don't know.
The reason why the PLAN carrier program seems to be "stagnant" for the moment is because they don't have the planes. There are only 9 production J-15's now and more is to come. But as to when we will see the first air wing embark on the Liaoning is an open question. Most likely some time next year. But the PLAN will remain cautious about this and they won't embark the air wing unless they are absolutely certain that both man and machine are ready.
What we have here is a rare moment in carrier history that an nation is not only trying to build a carrier air wing and all the associated hardware but also the entire industry behind it from virtually nothing. So China at this moment is not only building a carrier air wing but they are building an entire industry. And that takes time. The Indians bought their planes from the Russians so they can start embarking their carrier air wing almost right away. China on the other hand is either unable or unwilling to buy foreign planes for its first aircraft carrier and therefor have to wait for years before they can embark their carrier air wing.
The only other example in the recent history that is comparable to the Liaoning now is the Russian Admiral Kuznetsov in the 1990's. The ship was ready and was commissioned but neither the SU-33 nor the MiG-29K was ready for production and the ship had to sail for many years without an air wing. The Admiral Kuznetsov was commissioned in 1990 but didn't get its full air wing untill 1995.
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Blackstone
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"Foreign-designed?" J-15s? I could believe there was some non-Chinese technical assistance by hook or crook, but "foreign-designed" is wrong. The Defense News could use more Deinos on their staff and less Windell Minnicks.
shen
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the author of that article is probably trying to influence the US government to lift its arms embargo against China. look, they can buy everything from Europeans anyway, let's make some money too!
The military denied that the two carrier pilots sacrifice in carrier testing
军方否认两名舰载机飞行员在航母测试中牺牲
人民网北京9月7日电 （闫嘉琪）近日，多家媒体的新闻标题称“两名空军飞行员在航母测试中牺牲”。人民网记者今日采访军方人士确认，该消息系误读，2名殉职者并非执行航母测试任务，也非执行舰载战斗机试飞任务的飞行员。
近日，记者在微博上发现很多人在转载“两名空军飞行员在航母测试中牺牲 ”的消息，参与转发的账号中不乏一些知名媒体的法人微博账号。记者搜索互联网新闻，也发现不少以此为标题的新闻报道。
追溯这些报道来源，发现该消息源自8月27日新华网标题为“中央军委主席习近平签署命令 给1个单位、1名个人授予荣誉称号”的报道。该报道的主要内容是中央军委授予空军某试飞大队“英雄试飞大队”荣誉称号，授予海军某舰载航空兵部队副部队长戴明盟“航母战斗机英雄试飞员”荣誉称号。在这篇报道中，有这样一段话：“命令指出，长期以来，该大队坚持以发展民族航空事业和建设强大空中力量为使命，教育引导试飞员把个人理想融入强军实践，官兵始终保持了旺盛斗志；积极探索理论、参与设计、试验飞行，圆满完成各项试验试飞任务，填补我国航空领域13项空白；自觉抵制诱惑、坦然面对生死，多次挑战装备和生理极限，有2名同志献出生命。特别是为圆满完成歼－15飞机在辽宁舰上成功实施阻拦着舰和滑跃起飞任务做出重大贡献。”其实，我们仔细阅读新华网的报道，很容易就会发现，该报道只是说该大队在长期的试飞中曾经有2人献出生命，并没有指出这两名殉职者是在航母测试中献出生命，也没有透露出任何有关二人是在执行歼-15舰载机任务时殉职的意思。就是这样一句并不容易引起误解的话，在时隔一个多星期后，在9月6日被某网站篡改标题，以“官方宣布两名空军飞行员在航母测试中牺牲”为标题进行再次传播、扩散，随后在微博上进一步发酵，造成网友误解。
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People's Daily, Beijing, September 7 (by Yan Jiaqi) Recently, a number of media headlines said, "The two Air Force pilots in aircraft testing at the expense of. " People with reporters today, military sources confirmed that the news department misread, two killed were not perform carrier testing tasks, the pilots not related to the carrier flight tests.
Recently, the reporter found that many people on the microblogging reproduced in "two air force pilots killed in aircraft test" message, forwarding account to participate in the corporate media are a number of well-known microblogging account. Search Internet news reporter also found a lot of this as the title of the news reports.
Traced the source of these reports and found that the message originated from August 27 Xinhua titled "CMC Chairman Xi Jinping signed an order to a unit, an individual awarded the honorary title of" reports. The main contents of the report of the Central Military Commission awarded an Air Force flight brigade "Hero flight brigade" Honor, awarded a Navy carrier-based air force deputy Deming Union troops long "aircraft carrier fighter test pilot hero," the honorary title. In this report, there is this passage: "command noted that for a long time, which adhere to the development of national aviation brigade and the construction of a powerful air forces for the mission to educate and guide test pilot personal ideals into practice a strong army, officers and soldiers always maintained strong fighting spirit; actively explore the theory involved in the design, test flight, the successful completion of the test flight mission, to fill the aviation field of 13 blank; consciously resist the temptation, frankly facing death, several challenges equipment and physiological limits, there are two comrades lost their lives, especially for the successful completion of the J-15 aircraft successfully implemented in Liaoning ship stop landing and flying leaps slippery task to make a significant contribution. "In fact, we carefully read the Xinhua report, it's easy to find the reported only that the brigade in the long-term test flight had two people lost their lives, and did not point out that two deceased person is given their lives in aircraft testing, nor reveal any information about the two ships in the implementation of the J-15 When the carrier aircraft killed mean task. Is such a sentence is not misleading, then, after a lapse of more than one week later, on September 6 is a website tampered heading to the "official announcement of two Air Force test pilots died in the aircraft" as the title to spread again, the proliferation of , followed by further fermentation in the microblogging, causing users misunderstanding.
军方否认两名舰载机飞行员在航母测试中牺牲
人民网北京9月7日电 （闫嘉琪）近日，多家媒体的新闻标题称“两名空军飞行员在航母测试中牺牲”。人民网记者今日采访军方人士确认，该消息系误读，2名殉职者并非执行航母测试任务，也非执行舰载战斗机试飞任务的飞行员。
近日，记者在微博上发现很多人在转载“两名空军飞行员在航母测试中牺牲 ”的消息，参与转发的账号中不乏一些知名媒体的法人微博账号。记者搜索互联网新闻，也发现不少以此为标题的新闻报道。
追溯这些报道来源，发现该消息源自8月27日新华网标题为“中央军委主席习近平签署命令 给1个单位、1名个人授予荣誉称号”的报道。该报道的主要内容是中央军委授予空军某试飞大队“英雄试飞大队”荣誉称号，授予海军某舰载航空兵部队副部队长戴明盟“航母战斗机英雄试飞员”荣誉称号。在这篇报道中，有这样一段话：“命令指出，长期以来，该大队坚持以发展民族航空事业和建设强大空中力量为使命，教育引导试飞员把个人理想融入强军实践，官兵始终保持了旺盛斗志；积极探索理论、参与设计、试验飞行，圆满完成各项试验试飞任务，填补我国航空领域13项空白；自觉抵制诱惑、坦然面对生死，多次挑战装备和生理极限，有2名同志献出生命。特别是为圆满完成歼－15飞机在辽宁舰上成功实施阻拦着舰和滑跃起飞任务做出重大贡献。”其实，我们仔细阅读新华网的报道，很容易就会发现，该报道只是说该大队在长期的试飞中曾经有2人献出生命，并没有指出这两名殉职者是在航母测试中献出生命，也没有透露出任何有关二人是在执行歼-15舰载机任务时殉职的意思。就是这样一句并不容易引起误解的话，在时隔一个多星期后，在9月6日被某网站篡改标题，以“官方宣布两名空军飞行员在航母测试中牺牲”为标题进行再次传播、扩散，随后在微博上进一步发酵，造成网友误解。
auto translation:
People's Daily, Beijing, September 7 (by Yan Jiaqi) Recently, a number of media headlines said, "The two Air Force pilots in aircraft testing at the expense of. " People with reporters today, military sources confirmed that the news department misread, two killed were not perform carrier testing tasks, the pilots not related to the carrier flight tests.
Recently, the reporter found that many people on the microblogging reproduced in "two air force pilots killed in aircraft test" message, forwarding account to participate in the corporate media are a number of well-known microblogging account. Search Internet news reporter also found a lot of this as the title of the news reports.
Traced the source of these reports and found that the message originated from August 27 Xinhua titled "CMC Chairman Xi Jinping signed an order to a unit, an individual awarded the honorary title of" reports. The main contents of the report of the Central Military Commission awarded an Air Force flight brigade "Hero flight brigade" Honor, awarded a Navy carrier-based air force deputy Deming Union troops long "aircraft carrier fighter test pilot hero," the honorary title. In this report, there is this passage: "command noted that for a long time, which adhere to the development of national aviation brigade and the construction of a powerful air forces for the mission to educate and guide test pilot personal ideals into practice a strong army, officers and soldiers always maintained strong fighting spirit; actively explore the theory involved in the design, test flight, the successful completion of the test flight mission, to fill the aviation field of 13 blank; consciously resist the temptation, frankly facing death, several challenges equipment and physiological limits, there are two comrades lost their lives, especially for the successful completion of the J-15 aircraft successfully implemented in Liaoning ship stop landing and flying leaps slippery task to make a significant contribution. "In fact, we carefully read the Xinhua report, it's easy to find the reported only that the brigade in the long-term test flight had two people lost their lives, and did not point out that two deceased person is given their lives in aircraft testing, nor reveal any information about the two ships in the implementation of the J-15 When the carrier aircraft killed mean task. Is such a sentence is not misleading, then, after a lapse of more than one week later, on September 6 is a website tampered heading to the "official announcement of two Air Force test pilots died in the aircraft" as the title to spread again, the proliferation of , followed by further fermentation in the microblogging, causing users misunderstanding.
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Is the Liaoning not going to use Ka-31 as AEW? Don't understand why China bought it if it wasn't going to use it on the Liaoning.
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