PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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True and I agree.. I just want to see the carrier UNREP(RAS) that's all.
Could be but more than likely just a photo op no doubt.
So true.. could be a photo op.
As an old salt that deck just looks empty. There could be more going on that meets the eye.. I just don't see it. I remember how elated we were when we saw the first photos of CV-16 conducting flight operations...now for me that elation has worn off. the PLAN need to move on to bigger and better operations aboard Liaoning. I honestly felt that by now a year and about three months after the first arrested landing we would be seeing a lot more action than we have.
And this is the crux of the reason we do not see more operations aboard the Liaoning. 100% truth.
Well since it's Spring Festival look for Liaoning to take a six week vacation.
kwaigonegin
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True and I agree.. I just want to see the carrier UNREP(RAS) that's all.
Could be but more than likely just a photo op no doubt.
So true.. could be a photo op.
As an old salt that deck just looks empty. There could be more going on that meets the eye.. I just don't see it. I remember how elated we were when we saw the first photos of CV-16 conducting flight operations...now for me that elation has worn off. the PLAN need to move on to bigger and better operations aboard Liaoning. I honestly felt that by now a year and about three months after the first arrested landing we would be seeing a lot more action than we have.
And this is the crux of the reason we do not see more operations aboard the Liaoning. 100% truth.
Well since it's Spring Festival look for Liaoning to take a six week vacation.
No worries shipmate.. in due time, in due time. I think by the end of the year once they get the full airwing on board we'll start seeing pics of them in more intense training with full on flight deck operations with multiple sorties. I'm impatient as well but clearly PLAN is taking things very slowly and methodically.
Do we know if they even form a CVW yet even if the actual birds haven't fully arrived? if so what is the name of the CVW?
antiterror13
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True ... I think your assessment is based on your extensive experience with USN. PLAN is nowhere near that, so perhaps is not fair. Apart from USN, I don't think what PLAN is doing with Liaoning is not that bad at all ... give them a time, perhaps one more year ... you will see
The situation on the Liaoning will remain stagnant untill the air wing embarks. I think what we see right now is an inevitable phase in China's carrier building process. China has never had an aircraft carrier before and therefore they never had any carrier based planes. And the planes can only go into production after the ship has come out and the planes are tested and deck certified before they can go into production, and that takes time. In that between period of the ship's commissioning to the air wing embarking (where the planes still have to be build) its going to be slow going. And in the mean time all they can do right now is to keep training their pilots with the planes they got and the ship crew just keep training and repeating their daily tasks and emergency procedures over and over again.
Even after the air wing embarks we have to keep our expectations reasonable. The PLAN has a smaller ship with fewer planes and a somewhat cumbersome deck layout so we can't expect what we see on the Nimitz class carriers. It will inevitably be slower.
Even after the air wing embarks we have to keep our expectations reasonable. The PLAN has a smaller ship with fewer planes and a somewhat cumbersome deck layout so we can't expect what we see on the Nimitz class carriers. It will inevitably be slower.
Actually, I'm going to disagree with bd, and that means I'm accepting the fact that I'm wrong, I'm a land-lubber, whats that word bd???? zoomie A little over a year ago, I made the statement, which has proven correct that the PLAN would not attempt to attain/maintain the Frenetic pace of the USN. Could they be more aggressive, sure, should they,,, I don't really know at this stage. Not only do they lack an air-wing, but this is the genesis of operating high performance aircraft and helo's off a moving target, it is rocket science, and I have a great deal of respect for what they have already accomplished. Now as for bd, the USN is performing at an almost "superhuman" level, and no less is expected or accepted, they have a culture like NASCAR or Formula ONE or Moto GP racing---well beyond your average bear!
I just wanted to step out if the lurking shadows to share this story I saw this morning.
Btw-I believe the stagnation we've seen in training and development may have something to do with assessment and adjustment of procedures after Liaoning's recent deployment(s). It certainly would makes sense that some procedures would be tweaked and refined.
As for the pace of the overall program-I think if anything-the Chinese Navy is probably attempting to speed things up. There certainly seems to be a demand for the capabilities of a carrier from the Chinese Navy's civilian policy making customers. It's an open question how much faster they can go.
Btw-I believe the stagnation we've seen in training and development may have something to do with assessment and adjustment of procedures after Liaoning's recent deployment(s). It certainly would makes sense that some procedures would be tweaked and refined.
As for the pace of the overall program-I think if anything-the Chinese Navy is probably attempting to speed things up. There certainly seems to be a demand for the capabilities of a carrier from the Chinese Navy's civilian policy making customers. It's an open question how much faster they can go.
Thanks my friend, there has been a fairly good discussion of that on the PLAN Carrier Construction Page.
The actual quote from the Party Leader who made the statement, as I understand it, was that the Chinese would be starting their second "home built" carrier (which apparently translates in Chinese to indigenous carrier) this year.
If true, this would mean that they already started another one somewhere else, probably Shanghai. There have been rumors for several months now that two indigenous STOBAR carriers would be built simultaneously in China, one in Dalian and the other in Shanghai. This quote seems to indicate that the second one is about to be started.
Their first carrier, the Liaoning, CV-16, which was the former Soviet Varyag, of course was not "home built," and so would not be the "first," carrier that the western press is speaking of. It is the 1st Chinese carrier, but it was not "home built," or indigenous by the strict definition of the word. To me, this means their first one indigenous carrier has already been started, as I said, probably in Shanghai.
Looks like they may build two at once, and increase their numbers to three in the next 4-6 years.
I expect they will build two more after that, probably not simultaneously, which will probably be full blown CATOBAR carriers and end up with a total of five.
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