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volleyballer

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Well, I have to say that it is very difficult for me to understand them. I am fluent in speaking and reading Chinese (everyday stuff), but not so much on the writing part. However, I still have a hard time understanding majority of the examples given in the earlier post. The only one that I understand is 图样图森破, too young too simply. Once I saw the explanation, I got it. But the other ones? I still have little clue even after the explanation was given. For instance, I still have absolutely no clue what 张菊坐/局座 is, or who "Zhang Zhaozhong" is...

张局坐 (Bureau Chief Zhang) and Zhang Zhaozhong (ZZZ) are in fact the same person. He is a respectable military theorist with a humorous style of commenting. He is a professor at the NDU and holds the rank of Major General.

Zhang is bureau chief (局坐) at 戰略忽悠局 (Strategic Fudge Bureau), a bureau dedicated to downplaying the Chinese military capabilities and exaggerating others' capabilities.
 
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vesicles

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张局坐 (Bureau Chief Zhang) and Zhang Zhaozhong (ZZZ) are in fact the same person. He is a respectable military theorist with a humorous style of commenting. He is a professor at the NDU and holds the rank of Major General.

Zhang is bureau chief (局坐) at 戰略忽悠局 (Strategic Fudge Bureau), a bureau dedicated to downplaying the Chinese military capabilities and exaggerating others' capabilities.

Thanks for the explanation! Is 戰略忽悠局 an actual govn't agency? Isn't 忽悠 the Chinese slang for "to con someone"? How can an actual Govn't agency adopt such a name?
 

ludasmatyi

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Thanks for the explanation! Is 戰略忽悠局 an actual govn't agency? Isn't 忽悠 the Chinese slang for "to con someone"? How can an actual Govn't agency adopt such a name?
it's just a joke. Since almost all his predictions were approved wrong at the last.

BTW, should we back to our topic?
 

Jeff Head

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it's just a joke. Since almost all his predictions were approved wrong at the last.

BTW, should we back to our topic?
Yes, by all means.

This is an interesting article and fairly accurate, but clearly slanted towards raising more concern over China's naval growth

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Voice of America said:
China's first aircraft carrier has returned to its home port after a series of training exercises in the South China Sea.

It was the Liaoning's first long-distance training mission since being commissioned last year, raising concerns in the West and several nations with territorial spats with the country about China's growing naval power.

The official Xinhua news agency said the refurbished Soviet carrier "underwent a comprehensive test of its combat system and conducted a formation practice."

Xinhua quoted unnamed naval sources as saying the 37-day trip "attained the anticipated objectives," and that all tests "went well as scheduled."

Zhang Zheng, the Liaoning's captain, reported that the mission went smoothly.

"We tried to integrate the test, training and combat of the aircraft carrier during this scientific research and training in the South China Sea. And we focused on the research of its safeguard and combat abilities," said Zhang.

The Liaoning was escorted by aircraft, warships and submarines that also participated in the tests.

On December 5, one of the Chinese warships escorting the Liaoning narrowly avoided colliding with a U.S. naval vessel. U.S. officials say the USS Cowpens was forced to take evasive action to avoid hitting the Chinese vessel.

Pentagon chief Chuck Hagel later said China acted in an "irresponsible" manner during the stand-off, which occurred as the U.S. ship monitored the Chinese carrier group in international waters.

Beijing, however, said it acted "in accordance with strict protocol," and suggested the U.S. ship had ignored warnings and come too close to the Chinese carrier.

Carl Thayer with Australia's University of New South Wales says the issue is that China "has a different interpretation of international law and what's permissible on the high seas or international waters."

Thayer told VOA that China should work with the U.S. to establish appropriate rules of behavior in intelligence gathering, much like Washington did with Moscow during the Cold War.

"This sort of intelligence gathering is stable when countries face each other and have nuclear weapons. I think that the Soviet Union and the United States appreciated that. And China.... has also got to learn to be a bit more sophisticated I think with how it's going to relate with the United States in military operations at sea to prevent these incidents," said Thayer.

Thayer also pointed out that Beijing is not seeking out clashes with the U.S., but that it hopes to use its growing naval strength to keep U.S. forces as far as possible from its mainland.

For its part, China has described the Liaoning's role as "experimental."

Peter Dean of the Australian National University's Strategic and Defense Studies Center told VOA the carrier is only half the size of the United States' new Gerald Ford-class super carriers. However, he also noted that the carrier should be seen as representative of China's wider ambitions.

"It's linked to their trade and ability to exert more power around the region. And as one of the Chinese admirals recently said, aircraft carriers are what great powers have. And China very much sees itself as coming into this stage of its development as a great international power," explained Dean.

Many of China's neighbors are concerned about its rising status, and accuse it of being more aggressive in recent years in defending its maritime claims.

China's choice of the South China Sea as the location to conduct the Liaoning's first long-term training mission seemed to do little to calm those concerns, since Beijing has territorial disputes with several of its neighbors there.
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I see lots of things in that video that makes me feel..feel..like the PLAN is stagnant in their training aboard Liaoning..I saw nothing new. Just the same "scientific research and experiments". Going solely by this video I'd say the PLAN has not progressed with Liaoning. Not one inch.

I'd like to see the Liaoning performing an RAS(Replenishment at Sea) or an mass casualty drill or flight deck firefighting drills. They well may have done these things. We do not know for sure.

Nothing new to see here in this video.

I liked the video it is well done.

Great Vid Eng, Loved the refueling and launching and recovering heli's and the J-15s are amazing off the ramp.

It does not take 6 or eight men to recover a helo...trust me. And as to the refueling ..the hose was flaccid. There's no fuel running through that hose.
 

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I see lots of things in that video that makes me feel..feel..like the PLAN is stagnant in their training aboard Liaoning..I saw nothing new. Just the same "scientific research and experiments". Going solely by this video I'd say the PLAN has not progressed with Liaoning. Not one inch.

I'd like to see the Liaoning performing an RAS(Replenishment at Sea) or an mass casualty drill or flight deck firefighting drills. They well may have done these things. We do not know for sure.
Well, we know that the PLAN is very experienced at UNREP with their existing vessels and have seen it many times. I have to presume (never assume, hehehe) that they are capable of doing it with the carrier. But it is true that we have not seen a picture of that yet and it would be a very nice one to see.

It does not take 6 or eight men to recover a helo...trust me.
Perhaps they have two crews doing this? One to show them how, and the other in training. I do not know.,..but maybe not because we have seen the same large numbers during their helo recoveries on their DDGs and the LPDs...so maybe this is just how they do it.

And as to the refueling ..the hose was flaccid. There's no fuel running through that hose.
I agree and noticed the same thing...but I just wrote it off to them not starting the fueling yet. They showed us the cover for the hose being removed, and then some guys draggiong the hose to the helo, but we did not see them actually fill the hose with fuel and start pumping it into the helo. Again, I presume they can and that the video just stopped before they did...but then again, for a long time they did have that fuel truck onboard. I would have thought though that they had fixed that issue.
 
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kwaigonegin

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Well, we know that the PLAN is very experienced at UNREP with their existing vessels and have seen it many times. I have to presume (never assume, hehehe) that they are capable of doing it with the carrier. But it is true that we have not seen a picture of that yet and it would be a very nice one to see.

Perhaps they have two crews doing this? One to show them how, and the other in training. I do not know.,..but maybe not because we have seen the same large numbers during their helo recoveries on their DDGs and the LPDs...so maybe this is just how they do it.

I agree and noticed the same thing...but I just wrote it off to them not starting the fueling yet. They showed us the cover for the hose being removed, and then some guys draggiong the hose to the helo, but we did not see them actually fill the hose with fuel and start pumping it into the helo. Again, I presume they can and that the video just stopped before they did...but then again, for a long time they did have that fuel truck onboard. I would have thought though that they had fixed that issue.

I have to agree with Jeff's assessment on this one but yes it would be nice to see pictures of Liaoning doing an UNREP and more close up shots of deck activities. Does anyone know if the PLAN have a rating like MC (Mass Communication Specialist etc) or in the old days there was actually a photographer's mate rating? Basically someone who just goes around taking pictures.
 

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Its a re-editing of footages we have already seen before. Its hard to ramp up the pace of deck ops when you only got 3 or 4 airplanes and a few helicopters at hand. They are still training to get the basics right. We have to wait untill the first air wing embarks on the ship to see how well they have progressed.
 
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