It would be propaply good if we end the Jane's discussion before it gets out of hand...Its bad enough when members try to confront me...But to confront Webmaster is completely out of guestion.
Pakistan considering to buy either Eurofighter or Rafale
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maglomanic
Junior Member
Thanks for the picture Ger_mark, i can clearly see it flying in the air with German airforce's roundal on it and there in the cockpit is the red-blue-green party's pilot . 
Ohhh no, what did i just say it just looks like a peice of junk that never made it to any airforce's service. Must be that purple-blue party opposing this time.:roll:
Ohhh no, what did i just say it just looks like a peice of junk that never made it to any airforce's service. Must be that purple-blue party opposing this time.:roll:
OK! Enough is enough! This thread is about Pakistan confirming that it wants to acquire 25-50 advanced Western aircraft. Unless the government of Germany EXPLICITLY said that Pakistan won't be able receive this aircraft, then the Typhoon is still an open option. And if not the Typhoon, then it can be the Rafale which is going to be just as good as the Typhoon in a couple of years.
Diving Falcon
Junior Member
Fact of the matter is that the whole Eurofighter/Rafale thing is in its very early stages - I can tell you it is not top priority of the PAF or GOP. We will have to wait until the F-16 and AWACS commence induction, 2009. The same applies to the new submarine requirement - it will likely not be on the PN's top priorities until the F-22P induction has commenced; which is also 2009.
Let us just wait and see people. Lets assume funds are available for such a purchase of 25-30 Rafales or Eurofighters; what about manpower? The PAF has to allocate manpower for 150-200 JF-17s, 5-7 new AWACS, probably 55 new-model F-16s, etc ; we are talking about change in doctrine and training due to induction of BVR, PGM, etc. This is a HUGE and MASSIVE change, and I'm afraid the whole of PAF will be busy phasing out F-7Ps, F-7PGs, Mirages, etc; inducting like 200-250 new-built aircraft requiring new infrastructure. The PAF will not focus its attention on another type of aircraft until the infrastructure for JF-17s, F-16s, and AWACS is complete; and of course induction commences.
Let us just wait and see people. Lets assume funds are available for such a purchase of 25-30 Rafales or Eurofighters; what about manpower? The PAF has to allocate manpower for 150-200 JF-17s, 5-7 new AWACS, probably 55 new-model F-16s, etc ; we are talking about change in doctrine and training due to induction of BVR, PGM, etc. This is a HUGE and MASSIVE change, and I'm afraid the whole of PAF will be busy phasing out F-7Ps, F-7PGs, Mirages, etc; inducting like 200-250 new-built aircraft requiring new infrastructure. The PAF will not focus its attention on another type of aircraft until the infrastructure for JF-17s, F-16s, and AWACS is complete; and of course induction commences.
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SteelBird
Colonel
Sources (this is not news, and I think we all know that) said that PAF will buy 150 JF-17. Some other sources also said that China will sell J-10 to PAF (not sure if PAF will accept that) to compete with F-16. If PAF does accept J-10, how many will they intend to buy? And now, they want some more (25 ~50) advanced western fighters. Is Pakistan's fighters market so large?
Diving Falcon
Junior Member
PAF will ultimately acquire J-10 regardless of F-16 or no F-16 - F-16 deal effects when and how many J-10s the PAF will initially acquire. My belief is that a J-10 purchase would pretty much guarantee a F-16A/B replacement from 2020; and from what I heard/read, J-10 beats even the Flanker. And if we forum jockeys know that J-10 has a ton-load more pontetial to do even more - like become on-par with Rafale - I assume PAF officers recognize this as well. So I believe that other than F-16 no other Western fighter will be sought; Rafales and Eurofighters are expensive jets, not only to buy, but to maintain!
If the PAF does finalize the Block-52 F-16 deal, then I would not expect them to buy J-10s before 2010; it would allow the aircraft to become better than it is now - and become a really valuable purchase. Up to 75 F-16 Block-52s are sought, my guess is that by 2020 the PAF would want to operate at least 30 J-10A/Bs or maybe even J-10C/Super J-10. If new-built F-16s cannot be acquired, then assume J-10s to enter PAF earlier than 2010.
If the PAF does finalize the Block-52 F-16 deal, then I would not expect them to buy J-10s before 2010; it would allow the aircraft to become better than it is now - and become a really valuable purchase. Up to 75 F-16 Block-52s are sought, my guess is that by 2020 the PAF would want to operate at least 30 J-10A/Bs or maybe even J-10C/Super J-10. If new-built F-16s cannot be acquired, then assume J-10s to enter PAF earlier than 2010.
ger_mark
Junior Member
crazyinsane105 said:
Well i think you mean the AESA Radar for Rafale, but the EF will recive AESA aswell
Aslo engine Update
Tranche 1 has 60 kN per Engine
Tranche 2 72 kN
Tranche 3 90 kN
(without afterburner...)
From Tranche 2 in the EF will be able to fire Itis-T missiles in Digital mode (kill the guys behind you).
Additionally the EF is planned to recieve a 3D Vector control, additional tanks will be available aswell.
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that's interesting, I thought Tranche 2 already had EJ-200, which has a thrust with afterburner of 90kN. Or is that engine EJ-230? Also, they are receiving the same AESA radar. In general, I'd think the avionics for the two fighters are quite comparable. Rafale at the moment is just more optimized for multi-role tasks that's all.ger_mark said:
ger_mark said:
Can't the Typhoon do that right now? The 3D Vector Thrust will be nice, but it may be unnecessary right now since Typhoon is probably one of the most manuevarable planes in the world right now.
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
ger_mark said:
Plase do not post over nationalistic bullsh*t here. Nothing comes close to the F-22. To think a eurofighter is in the same class as an f-22 is a evident sighn of overnationalistic pride. not even any us China posters dare compare j-10 to the f-22, and you shouldnt either.