Olympics 2024 - discussion thread

manqiangrexue

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I think we should give these Japanese athletes a break. With the history book changes in Japan the past ~20 years, the limited education these professional athletes have, and the generally nationalist lean of many sports associations, I doubt they really understand the history behind a lot of these shrines, especially the less prominent ones. Take Hayata for example, she said her reason for visiting the Kamimaze museum is to appreciate the value of life, which is in line with at least the museum's advertised purpose of emphasizing the value of life by showing the wasteful suicide runs of young kamikaze pilots.

Netizens would be right to educate her and Ishikawa/Harimoto/etc. on the history, but probably shouldn't lash out at them since they're unlikely to be trying to be militant or willfully ignorant.
On the one hand, it's personally painful for Japanese athletes (and people in general), especially those with good relationships with China, to have to go through this. They were not educated correctly by their government so to them, they wonder how can their Chinese friends be so vicious and cold to suddenly cut off all contact just because they visited a shrine in their own home country?

On the other hand, if we cut them slack, then we allow the Japanese tactic of revisionist teaching to be successful. They put their civilians up in a game of Chicken to see if we can hold true to our self-respect and be hostile to those who are not actively hostile to us or if we will let it go and give in to the I'll-be-nice-to-anyone-who's-nice-to-me natural instinct.

Lastly, stop putting Harimoto in there with Ishikawa. She might be poorly educated on the matter but he is deliberately in that situation. Both his parents knew the seriousness of his actions; both of them made a conscious decision to turn him into a hanjian abomination. There is nothing to like, no possibility of redemption for him or his family.
Because Japanese history education is a total whitewash (based on what I know), Japanese are totally unaware of the horrendous crimes committed by their forefathers. All those shrines and "museums" reinforce the whitewashing and make the visitors think Japs are the victims of WWII, or at least make them think Imperial Japan did nothing wrong. Most of the people in power today are remnants and descendants of Imperial Japan's officials and elites. They are driving Japan toward confrontation with China with the support or at least apathy from the populace and that can be disastrous for both Japan and China.

Other countries can't force the Japanese government to change their history books. However, by punishing any Japanese celebrities economically for visiting those "shrines" and "museums", there is a chance the publicities will make at least some Japanese aware of the crimes committed by their forefathers the Japanese elites try so hard to cover up.
Right now, it's not possible to make any progress. But ultimately the solution is to displace the US in Asia. Japan acts this way because the US, which is the dominant power, doesn't mind its revisionism because that causes emnity with China, which is the most important thing. South Korea is collateral damage and Americans themselves don't care because after you nuke someone into your cartoon lap dog, nothing's that serious with them. But if the US were to be displaced by China, then it would no longer make sense for Japan to keep doing this because it will continuously incurr the wrath of the dominant power. As a small country, Japan must always align itself with the wishes of the dominant power.
Hina Hayata is cancelled in China, CCTV removed all footage of her, even Korean players also unfollowed her. The other two Japanese atheletes Kasumi Ishikawa and Tomokazu Harimoto might still be redeemable in China.
1. Kamikaze Museum is worse than Togo Shrine for Chinese people?? Kamikaze pilots killed Americans while fighting defensively; Togo Heihachiro killed Chinese offensively!

2. What kind of redemption is there for Harimoto?? He's a hanjian with parents who taught him to fight against China and to do whatever it takes to become more Japanese, worshipping war crime shrines being on that list. There's nothing to redeem because there was never anything in that boy's life that would have even been mildly acceptable to Chinese people.
 

coolgod

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1. Kamikaze Museum is worse than Togo Shrine for Chinese people?? Kamikaze pilots killed Americans while fighting defensively; Togo Heihachiro killed Chinese offensively!

2. What kind of redemption is there for Harimoto?? He's a hanjian with parents who taught him to fight against China and to do whatever it takes to become more Japanese, worshipping war crime shrines being on that list. There's nothing to redeem because there was never anything in that boy's life that would have even been mildly acceptable to Chinese people.
I'm just relaying facts, not my opinion. CCTV removed all videos of Hina Hayata but not the other two after this incidence.
 

Lethe

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It would be funny if China put a ton/tonne of effort into cricket and fielded an internationally dominant team, just to f*ck with certain countries. One obstacle, though, is that China would be limited to recruiting from mathematics Ph.Ds, so the players could have some chance of understanding the rules.

Twenty20 is the shortest and most approachable form of the game, with matches last only ~3hrs including breaks. The basics are pretty simple: each side faces 120 balls (20 "overs" of 6 balls each) from the other, the team that scores the most runs wins. After Los Angeles 2028, I think it's safe to assume that the Australian Olympic Committee will choose to keep T20 around for Brisbane 2032.

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There are a lot of different angles to the Raygun affair. It's almost like a kaleidoscope that you can turn every which way to see what you want to see:

1. It's strange and unfortunate that her performance has probably received more publicity than all of the more talented male and female breakdancers of the competition put together. In the women's competition, the top competitors Ami, Nicka, 861 and India all put in great performances and I recommend watching them. It's particularly odd when one considers that a lot of sports have some truly awful performances at the low-end that pass without comment, and indeed often with celebration for the athletes for turning up and doing their best. I guess there is a more performative aspect to breakdancing that makes Raygun more meme-able than e.g. the Algerian skateboarder that did not complete a single run.

2. It's strange and unfortunate that her performance is probably the leading image the world takes away about Australia from the 2024 Olympics, when we had so many fantastic performances elsewhere leading to a #4 finish on the medal table. Our amazing swimmers like Mollie O'Callaghan, Ariarne Titmus, Kallie McKeown, or the Fox sisters who took home three Gold medals between them in Kayak/Canoe, are as nothing before someone doing a kangaroo hop! This isn't really a big deal: obviously folks latch onto memes like the Korean and Turkish shooters, the well-endowed French pole vaulter, the Chinese athlete appearing shocked to see others on the podium biting their medals, or the reaction from the American divers when one Chinese diver picked up the other, etc. It's only natural that we focus on such things.

3. In isolation from the Olympic competition and from breakdancing as a competitive endeavour, one would probably say that Raygun displays impressive agility for a woman in her mid-30s and remarkable self-belief to get up on the stage and perform as she did. Could I have done what she did, either physically or mentally? Definitely not.

4. The personal abuse she has apparently received since her performance is unacceptable and should rightly be condemned. In the longer-term, however, I think her elevated public profile may well benefit her if she can grasp the opportunities. Australia loves winning, but we also love an underdog and feel-good stories about persons who gave it their all. We can already see the signs of this "comeback narrative" in her
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at the closing ceremony. I think she will be ok.

5. There seem to be legitimate questions to be asked about the organizational structures that led to Raygun being selected as Australia's representative for breakdancing. It seems to be a combination of a legitimately very shallow talent pool, the tight timelines for setting up the relevant bodies and competitions to get breakdancing to the Paris 2024 Olympics, and potentially some cultural resistance to going through the "Olympic process" amongst some portion of the breakdancing community. I haven't seen any real evidence to suggest that Raygun's presence is corruption or nepotism as some have suggested, but I think it's worth looking at the process that occurred and how it could be improved going forward.

6. The tensions between breakdancing as a rebellious, counter-cultural movement and the regimented, rule-bound processes that govern Olympic competition are interesting to consider, as are the angles about a historically black art form being coopted by white folks. I don't think there are any clear answers to these questions but I can recognise the passionate positions that have been put forward in recent days, with Raygun as the focal point for a broader discussion. It's worth noting that skateboarding has similar "issues" yet seems to have been more successfully integrated into the Olympics, such that my understanding is that skateboarding will now be a regular inclusion (rather than an optional one as breakdancing was at Paris 2024 or Twenty20 cricket will be at Los Angeles 2028). Ironically, Raygun is a Ph.D who has authored papers on these issues. Some would say that makes her "part of the problem", i.e. gentrification of breakdancing, but it also puts her in a position to comment intelligently on these issues going forward, if she is minded to.

At this point I hope that Australia chooses to bring breakdancing back for the 2032 Olympics and puts Raygun forward in some kind of figurehead or announcer role, to demonstrate that we will continue to celebrate the form and will not be cowed by the slings and arrows of this world. :cool:
 
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Because Japanese history education is a total whitewash (based on what I know), Japanese are totally unaware of the horrendous crimes committed by their forefathers. All those shrines and "museums" reinforce the whitewashing and make the visitors think Japs are the victims of WWII, or at least make them think Imperial Japan did nothing wrong. Most of the people in power today are remnants and descendants of Imperial Japan's officials and elites. They are driving Japan toward confrontation with China with the support or at least apathy from the populace and that can be disastrous for both Japan and China.
I don't see it as so disastrous for us at all. We need to get rid of all Japanese nazis and return Japan back to its Asian family anyways.

The combo of an evil government + apathic population is better than a half repentant government that's trying to good heartedly approach China as equals. China should not be interested in having Japan as equals.
Other countries can't force the Japanese government to change their history books. However, by punishing any Japanese celebrities economically for visiting those "shrines" and "museums", there is a chance the publicities will make at least some Japanese aware of the crimes committed by their forefathers the Japanese elites try so hard to cover up.
I don't see much point in wasting time punishing them economically either. We should finish rebuilding the military, and then pay them back through that. Put the Japanese to work on building China's future, the same way Japan wanted to put China to work on building their future.

It is to me fairly irrelevant if a rebellious vassal admits faults or not, as long as they're dragged back in chains to where they belong.
 

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I think this video is already posted since it's a few days old but something I noticed is how some comments are basically I am from xxx country and we have at least one gold medal. Basically everyone is teaming up to clown on superpower India from Philippines to Kenya to some island in the middle of no where etc.

Anyway it's no point spending any more energy than necessary to bash them since they will somehow just never understand it. So next time you hear some annoying Jai Hind beating his chest again just say 0 (zero) golds and leave it as that. Keep it short and simple.
 

siegecrossbow

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I think this video is already posted since it's a few days old but something I noticed is how some comments are basically I am from xxx country and we have at least one gold medal. Basically everyone is teaming up to clown on superpower India from Philippines to Kenya to some island in the middle of no where etc.

Anyway it's no point spending any more energy than necessary to bash them since they will somehow just never understand it. So next time you hear some annoying Jai Hind beating his chest again just say 0 (zero) golds and leave it as that. Keep it short and simple.
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sunnymaxi

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We finally have Su Bingtian successor ..

Young "Flying Man"! Han Xin, 12, has shattered the record in the men's 100m final at the WSE Athletics Open with a remarkable time of 11.49 seconds, surpassing the record of the legendary Chinese flying man Su Bingtian created at the age of 15...

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