Olympics 2024 - discussion thread

manqiangrexue

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Sure, swimming is outlier with maybe weighlifting but China men team sucks in many other sports which requires strength, from basketball, volleyball, athletics, boxing, etc. Even in swimming, if not for Pan Zanle being too good, men swimming team will earn nothing. The two gold swimming medal is Pan Zanle carrying his team. Not only the number of medals earned from female teams are higher, the number of sport female teams earn are also more diversified with non-dominating sport like hockey, taekwondo, bmx, etc. To conclude, female carry this olympic for China hard. Men are not even close, especially some disgrace like Shi Yuqi.
It's harder getting male talent for China's athletic department. Most of our athletes still come from poor rural areas trained into sports. Girls are given up more easily than boys due to the patriarichal mindset. Large boys are particularly difficult to come by because big boys are the most auspicious in Chinese culture and everyone regards sending a 5 year old to weightlifting training camp as basically throwing him/her to the wolves. Particularly true for weightlifting. 30 years ago, China had so much female talent that we owned every single world record for female weightlifting. As one European female lifter said in an interview from the 80's, "When we arrive to the competition, we first look at the nameboard and just look for the [Chinese] flag. We don't know any of their names but if we saw that flag, it meant we were all fighting for silver. There is no chance or possibility to compete with them." As China got richer, we lost some of the dominance we had for women. It's a good problem that comes with poverty eradication. Our weightlifting program is now far more dependent on training science for superiority rather than huge talent cache. At China's peak, we had 10,000 weightlifters... only a few would ever win even world comp medals not to mention Olympic medals. This is incredibly wasteful and results in almost all of them becoming jobless retired weightlifters with no medals and no skills... and back/knee problems.
 
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Eventine

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Sure, swimming is outlier with maybe weighlifting but China men team sucks in many other sports which requires strength, from basketball, volleyball, athletics, boxing, etc. Even in swimming, if not for Pan Zanle being too good, men swimming team will earn nothing. The two gold swimming medal is Pan Zanle carrying his team. Not only the number of medals earned from female teams are higher, the number of sport female teams earn are also more diversified with non-dominating sport like hockey, taekwondo, bmx, etc. To conclude, female carry this olympic for China hard. Men are not even close, especially some disgrace like Shi Yuqi.
Most of the sports you listed aren’t defined by strength but by talent systems. Do you think Chinese soccer players are fundamentally less biologically gifted than Japanese and Koreans? Of course not but China’s soccer talent system is infamous for being bad so the Chinese men’s team is a joke.

The women are better mainly because every other country’s women talent systems are also bad so it’s an equal playing field. But with men, the differences show through.
 

Quan8410

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Most of the sports you listed aren’t defined by strength but by talent systems. Do you think Chinese soccer players are fundamentally less biologically gifted than Japanese and Koreans? Of course not but China’s soccer talent system is infamous for being bad so the Chinese men’s team is a joke.

The women are better mainly because every other country’s women talent systems are also bad so it’s an equal playing field. But with men, the differences show through.
Not all sport has sucky talent system. China basketball has a very competitive system which produced some world stars like Yao Ming, Yi Jianlian, etc. But China basketball team as a whole still sucks compare to US and European teams, which are comprised of stronger, taller and bigger players. We are still successfully in Asia though but the success has gone downhill recently.
 
Not all sport has sucky talent system. China basketball has a very competitive system which produced some world stars like Yao Ming, Yi Jianlian, etc. But China basketball team as a whole still sucks compare to US and European teams, which are comprised of stronger, taller and bigger players. We are still successfully in Asia though but the success has gone downhill recently.
That's because the number one rule in basketball is you have to be black or Slavic. You don't see non-Slavic white NBA superstars either, at least not since Larry Bird.
 

manqiangrexue

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A rare moment of friendship amongst the teams and this shameless American fucker in the comments says it's mostly the Aussies and British who are racist and unsportsmanlike LOLOL That's a real LOL, not like most of 'em typed with a bare chuckle.

I'm fairly pleased with the international backlash the US/Australia/UK are facing. Most people say they're sore losers, many people from their own country saying the behavior is a disgrace. And pro-China views are being spread. And it's even bring brought to light that American athletes test positive far more often than Chinese athletes and they're all hopped up on "asthma" or "ADHD" meds. The US swim team is being called the asthma team and the gymnastics team the ADHD team! Pan is a catalyst!
 
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Quan8410

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That's because the number one rule in basketball is you have to be black or Slavic. You don't see non-Slavic white NBA superstars either, at least not since Larry Bird.
If there is no way to overcome genetics factors then there is no point investing in basketball either and can just use money to invest in women sport or some sports that is easy to get medals like mountain climbing (which China performed surprisingly well this event) then. The problem is those sports are less popular and not easy to get commercialized.
 
Would Steve Nash count as a superstar?
I guess Steve Nash could count, he definitely doesnt fit the classic superstar mold and never put up a lot of points, but anyone that understands basketball can see his effectiveness and the impact he made for the teams he played on. Apart from Nash, I can only think of two others, Dirk and Gasol. Not sure if Gasol would qualify, and Dirk I'd say barely qualifies.
If there is no way to overcome genetics factors then there is no point investing in basketball either and can just use money to invest in women sport or some sports that is easy to get medals like mountain climbing (which China performed surprisingly well this event) then. The problem is those sports are less popular and not easy to get commercialized.
If you believe the only value in investing in sports would be for Olympic medals, then sure you are correct. In the case of basketball, the sport is both popular and commercially viable so it's possible to have a good return on investment even if the men's team will never win a medal.
 
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A.Man

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Intensify Testing on U.S. Athletics, and Rebuild Global Trust In Fair Play

China Anti-Doping Agency (CHINADA) noticed that the specifics of the U.S. Olympic sprinting star Erriyon Knighton’s positive test have been widely reported by media at home and abroad, following which the United Stated Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) made a public statement on the case. However, there are still a number of question marks surrounding the case. One example is that the USADA CEO said blatantly that “trenbolone is a well-known livestock enhancer in the U.S. and other parts of the world”. Now that hundreds of positive tests for trenbolone have taken place in recent years worldwide, why is it that only a very small number of U.S. athletes have escaped sanctions based on USADA’s investigation findings and claims of meat contamination? Why hasn’t USADA ever warned American athletes about the risk of contamination of trenbolone in meat? If trenbolone is indeed a common contaminant in the United States, CHINADA would like to remind athletes from all over the world, including American athletes, to pay close attention to the meat contamination problem in the country when training and competing there, to strengthen doping risk prevention measures, and to eat meat products with caution. Otherwise, as the American swimmer Michael Phelps—under the wing of USADA—suggested in a recent interview, “if you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry”. In addition, the fact that Knighton was unilaterally exonerated by USADA also reflects another concern: doping scandals have been too frequently seen on U.S. athletics, and USADA’s handling of these doping case has been inconsistent and questionable. According to public available information, Carl Lewis, the nine-time U.S. Olympic gold medalist, once acknowledged that despite testing positive three times before the 1988 Seoul Olympics, he was eventually “let off the hook” and represented the United States in Seoul. The Olympic 100m champion Justin Gatlin, who failed two doping tests and should have been banned for life according to relevant rules, was finally given a four-year period of ineligibility after USADA’s exculpatory efforts. In 2003, the a shocking doping scandal that hit the sports world exploded from The Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO) in San Francisco, whose founder Conte provided a list of professional athletes buying their performance-enhancing drugs, including Marion Jones, the women’s 100-meter sprinting giant, Tim Montgomery, former world record holder for men’s 100-meter, Gatlin as mentioned above, and many other world champions in athletics. The BALCO scandal has triggered widespread concerns from the international community about doping in the U.S. sports field. Gil Roberts, once part of the U.S. 4x400 relay team that won gold at the 2016 Rio Olympics, was cleared by USADA in 2017 by claiming that his positive test was caused by kissing of his girlfriend. However, Roberts was found to have taken a banned substance again in 2022 and was given a 16-month ineligibility. Just eight months after his return in 2023, Roberts was again given an eight-year eligibility for a failing test. It is also worth noting that this April, the American track and field athlete Aldrich Bailey tested positive for ostarine, an androgen receptor modulator, during an out-of-competition test. It was then decided by USADA that the positive test was due to contaminated neoprene hamstring sleeves used by the athletes. However, ostarine is not a common contaminant, as facts show. Given the deep-rooted stains in the U.S. athletics and USADA’s repeated disregard for procedures and standards, there is reason to suspect that there is a systemic doping problem in track and field in the United States and the positive cases therein deserve continuous investigation and attention. As pointed out by the President of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), Mr. Witold Bańka, data collected in project involving law enforcement agencies and National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) in Europe revealed that the U.S. is one of the world’s largest markets for illicit steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Also pointed out by WADA in a recent statement, 31% of American athletes were not sufficiently tested in the 12 month-period prior to the Tokyo Games. In light of the above, we strongly call on the International Testing Agency (ITA) to intensify testing on the U.S. track and field athletes. We also strongly recommend that the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) strengthen anti-doping supervision of the U.S. track and field, prevent the doping risks and strictly investigate relevant cases, in an endeavor to truly protect the legitimate rights and interests of the cleans athletes around the world, and to rebuild the trust of global athletes in fair play.
 
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