*New J-10 Thread*

[MIGleader]

I think the chinese would like to see j-10 go up against US fighter, to measure j-10s capability. For F-16s they can pitch them against PAF F-16s of current model and later with Block 52s...but most of all China would like to see them against F-18s.

Putting Western avionics on J-10 would not be the job of western engineers. This is some thing PAC-Kamra does it self (E.g: they upgrade F-7's radars them selves without any help from either china or western country which has provided the radar i.e. Italy) .. offcourse some assistance would be need by west on new avionics but i dnt thin China has to worry abt France or Italy. Plus there is large presence in kamra who in return can get first hand look at the western avionics PAC installs on J-10.

If China wished to see the j-10 perform against the f-16, all it has to do is to ask pakistan to conduct some joint-air excercises. Im surprised this hasnt happened as of yet, at least not any major ones.

Hence I am guessing that J-10 are mostly going to be upgraded with French avionics.

Thats interesting. Some reports (typhuang says) that the French secretly assisted in developing the j-10s avionics in the first place. looking back on the wz-10 deal, this is not such an unreal prospect.

 

[AssassinsMace]

So is it possible that the export of the J-10 means that a more advanced upgrade is in the near future? That's why the present version of the J-10 is ready for export.

 

[SABRE]

If China wished to see the j-10 perform against the f-16, all it has to do is to ask pakistan to conduct some joint-air excercises. Im surprised this hasnt happened as of yet, at least not any major ones.

this is bit political .... pitching pakistani f-16 with pakistani pilot against chinese j-10 with plaaf pilot may anger the US. With both aircrafts being PAF's i dnt think US would have much problems.

Thats interesting. Some reports (typhuang says) that the French secretly assisted in developing the j-10s avionics in the first place. looking back on the wz-10 deal, this is not such an unreal prospect.

French assistance could be there. But still it is a roumer.

 

[RedMercury]

This is not meant to be a flame, and I realize Pakistan isn't small. But recalling the incident where a US Predator launched a hellfire missile in Pakistan seemingly without being authorized by the Pakistani government, it begs the question of whether such a UAV could take photos or sample radar/comm-link as well.

 

[pshamim]

This is not meant to be a flame, and I realize Pakistan isn't small. But recalling the incident where a US Predator launched a hellfire missile in Pakistan seemingly without being authorized by the Pakistani government, it begs the question of whether such a UAV could take photos or sample radar/comm-link as well.

Do you really believe what you hear? Do not believe in black and white only. There is always a grey area. Such things do not happen in Pakistan unless there is a nod by someone.

 

[FreeAsia2000]

Do you really believe what you hear? Do not believe in black and white only. There is always a grey area. Such things do not happen in Pakistan unless there is a nod by someone.

That's true pshamim usually you can find out the truth sitting in some
village baithak better than in the city.

Of course there have been some fantastic books written over the years
which put a new light on matters

Yeah I was buzzed by an F-16 when i went to Kamra man it came sooo
close

 

[Indianfighter]

The J-10 is likely to have equal performance levels of the Block 52 F-16.
Pakistan will fully suffice a fleet of J-10 in place of the F-16s, which are more expensive.

However, Pakistan is likely to get J-10s with the WS-10 engine, rather than the AL-31 engine.

The problem I find is that there is little information available about the J-10 (in English at-least). If I'm not mistaken, it shall use a KLJ radar (PESA ?) and future versions shall have TVC.

Anyway, it is unlikely that the US is "very interested" or "worried" by J-10's development.

The reason is that many small or developing nations make fighter jets nowadays, like China, India, Brazil, Pakistan, Israel, Iran, Taiwan, South Korea etc.
Many more nations make local versions or licenced copies of Russian, Chinese or other western jets like Egypt, Turkey, North Korea, etc.

The appearance of 4th generation fighter jets is fast becoming a norm rather than an exception and every A,B,C nation has MiG-29s, F-16s, Su-27 or Su-30 Flankers, F-15s etc.

The US simply cannot spend time speculating or "worrying" about every new entrant like the J-10, FC-1, T-50, or Azarakhsh.
When a new fighter-jet is announced, the Pentagon just briefs the President on the generation of the fighter, its rough capabilities and assures him that the JSF and F-22 are superior to these jets, and the US airspace and other interests are safe.

 

[FreeAsia2000]

The J-10 is likely to have equal performance levels of the Block 52 F-16.
Pakistan will fully suffice a fleet of J-10 in place of the F-16s, which are more expensive.

However, Pakistan is likely to get J-10s with the WS-10 engine, rather than the AL-31 engine.

The problem I find is that there is little information available about the J-10 (in English at-least). If I'm not mistaken, it shall use a KLJ radar (PESA ?) and future versions shall have TVC.

Anyway, it is unlikely that the US is "very interested" or "worried" by J-10's development.

The reason is that many small or developing nations make fighter jets nowadays, like China, India, Brazil, Pakistan, Israel, Iran, Taiwan, South Korea etc.
Many more nations make local versions or licenced copies of Russian, Chinese or other western jets like Egypt, Turkey, North Korea, etc.

The appearance of 4th generation fighter jets is fast becoming a norm rather than an exception and every A,B,C nation has MiG-29s, F-16s, Su-27 or Su-30 Flankers, F-15s.
The US simply cannot spend time speculating or "worrying" about every new entrant like the J-10, FC-1, T-50, or Azarakhsh.

The US knows that the J-10=F-16 and so we must have a JSF or F-22.

I agree. The gap is closing in terms of fighter generations.

How much of a percentage difference is there in performance between a peak
4th gen and a peak 5th gen fighter ?

 

[Deino]

Besides that "wild" discussion only on basis of this one report and its side-effects if, if not, technology transfer, espionage, improved or westernised versions ....

Is there any comment or side-note regarding a delivery date ... all I would conclude from this article (esp. with some reading between the lines !) is the fact, that Pakistan "wants" to purchase the J-10 !

There's no word that China will deliver them and esp. when !!!

Cheers, Deino

 

[Diving Falcon]

The J-10 is likely to have equal performance levels of the Block 52 F-16.
Pakistan will fully suffice a fleet of J-10 in place of the F-16s, which are more expensive.:china:

The J-10's performance is something that I believe cannot be paralleled; may it be sub-par or exceptional today, you can always be assured that in the future it will be near exceptional. Chinese aviation technology is constantly expanding and becoming more advanced - and very soon to a point where India will seriously need to be worried. It is a bit pre-mature to say if the J-10 is equal to Block-52 and vice-versa before the full specs have been released. And if anything, the PAF wants a fleet of both F-16 Block-52s and J-10s.

There's no word that China will deliver them and esp. when !!!

There aren't a lot of countries saying that they "want" to buy; and I doubt Pakistan will be saying that without getting a good look at the aircraft. Fact that China has let Pakistan get near it - may explain its intention to sell. As to "when", first deliveries will take at least 2-3 years after the order is signed; infrastructure, training, etc is all new to PAF.