*New J-10 Thread*

[AssassinsMace]

Does it seem more and more new J-10 shots are coming out lately? Hmmm!

There's a couple more that I couldn't upload. Why so little room to post pics mods?

Upon further inspection at least one might be PSed. I'm no expert but everytime see distorted edges like in the clear shot, I suspect. Plus they seem to be all in the same angle.

 

[pshamim]

I do not think that Pakistan will ask for any modification to the airframe. If there are any changes, they may be in avionics. I believe that the initial order when placed may not even require an avionics change.

I agree with you that a mere purchase of 2 squadrons by Pakistan will not dent the cost of J-10.

 

[walter]

I recall reading some time ago on this forum how Chinese engineers had the opportunity to get up close looks at pakistani F-16s. Are any Chinese military fans here worried about the same happening again, this time US (or other Western nation) engineers getting a good look at the J-10?

I think once Pakistan has operated the J-10 for a couple of years there is probably a decent chance of just this type of thing happening. This could be a serious problem if sensitive sytems like EW-suites or BVR missles come under the magnifying glass, although I don't think by inspecting just the airframe western engineers will glean anything of value.

Just thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss since it looks like Pakistan is very interested in aquiring the J-10, and probably will.

 

[crobato]

Does it seem more and more new J-10 shots are coming out lately? Hmmm!

There's a couple more that I couldn't upload. Why so little room to post pics mods?

Upon further inspection at least one might be PSed. I'm no expert but everytime see distorted edges like in the clear shot, I suspect. Plus they seem to be all in the same angle.

I won't give it much credit. This is an old picture of the J-10 that has been rehashed, resized, reangled and rebackgrounded to look new, but it really is not.

Given the flight patterns, the canard and aileron deflection angles are all wrong, because they are in take off position. Which is what the original old picture was.
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[Deino]

I won't give it much credit. This is an old picture of the J-10 that has been rehashed, resized, reangled and rebackgrounded to look new, but it really is not.

Given the flight patterns, the canard and aileron deflection angles are all wrong, because they are in take off position. Which is what the original old picture was.
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[FreeAsia2000]

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[petty officer1]

New pictures I found...

The thrid picture is the only one is see 2 J-10 flyin together

 

[SABRE]

I do not think that Pakistan will ask for any modification to the airframe. If there are any changes, they may be in avionics. I believe that the initial order when placed may not even require an avionics change.

I agree to that. Only changes may be in the avionics department as usual. PAF always upgrades its fighters with Western Avionics. I also agree that initial order may not include avionics change, since initial fighters would be for trainings and to get used to the fighters, but the initial order may later go through western upgrades.

I agree with you that a mere purchase of 2 squadrons by Pakistan will not dent the cost of J-10.

It may not dent the cost of J-10 but if PAF upgrades it with Western avioncs and demonstrates it in a possitive manner in front of the world the number of potential coustomer may rise.

I recall reading some time ago on this forum how Chinese engineers had the opportunity to get up close looks at pakistani F-16s. Are any Chinese military fans here worried about the same happening again, this time US (or other Western nation) engineers getting a good look at the J-10?

There are alot of Chinese engineers based in PAC-Kamra where all airforce aircrafts go for upgradings, over-hauling and maintainance -including the F-16s. I recently seen a pic of Chinese military official possing in front of Cobra Attack Helicopters in Pakistan. But the "roumer" that Pakistan gave Chinese engineers are closer look on F-16's design is false. 1st you just can figure out designs by just looking at the aircraft, in case of US fighters u just cant figure out the design by ripping off the aircraft or opening it all up. In addition Pakistan wont ripp-off or open up its F-16s since only 39 were there and US was not selling any more to us. So the F-16 became a scarce fighter for PAF. Do u expect PAF to open up its rare front line fighter for any one and destroy that aircraft and reduce the number of its front line fighter.

About US getting a look on J-10...I dont think they would interested in it. They have superior machinese like F-22 already flying and F-35s coming up soon. Besides as I said, there are many Chinese engineers in Pakistan, they can keep a watch. However, there is no American.

 

[walter]

There are alot of Chinese engineers based in PAC-Kamra where all airforce aircrafts go for upgradings, over-hauling and maintainance -including the F-16s. I recently seen a pic of Chinese military official possing in front of Cobra Attack Helicopters in Pakistan. But the "roumer" that Pakistan gave Chinese engineers are closer look on F-16's design is false. 1st you just can figure out designs by just looking at the aircraft, in case of US fighters u just cant figure out the design by ripping off the aircraft or opening it all up. In addition Pakistan wont ripp-off or open up its F-16s since only 39 were there and US was not selling any more to us. So the F-16 became a scarce fighter for PAF. Do u expect PAF to open up its rare front line fighter for any one and destroy that aircraft and reduce the number of its front line fighter.

About US getting a look on J-10...I dont think they would interested in it. They have superior machinese like F-22 already flying and F-35s coming up soon. Besides as I said, there are many Chinese engineers in Pakistan, they can keep a watch. However, there is no American.

I don't know if the rumors are true or false, just repeating what someone posted here quite some time ago. However, I wasn't talking about general aircraft layout, which can obviously be derived from published specs and pictures, as you stated.

The more sensitive areas would be avionics and weapons. Would Pakistan have to trash a fighter to let someone have a close look? I think some clever PRC engineers could manage to glean some useful info without destroying any of the onboard systems. I also think that since Taiwan operates similar model F-16s that Pakistan has, the PRC had/has a valid interest in knowing some of its capabilities in regards to radar and AA missle performance--I don't think it too much of a stretch that the PRC would have offered something in return that Pakistan could appreciate. However, I guess it is just a rumor--I certainly have not seen concrete proof of it.

As to the US wanting to get a look at a J-10, well, sure the US has more capable aircraft of it's own, but that is beside the point. It never hurts to know as much as possible about possible foes, or as GI-Joe put it "knowing is half the battle" . But seriously, I think the Pentagon would definitely want to know as much as possible about the the following J-10 (for that matter other PLA aircraft, but since J-10 may go to Pakistan, I will stick to it) systems: radar, RWR, any EW assets onboard, weapons. I am sure they already have a good idea of what threat level the J-10 poses, especially what general aircraft performance concerns (as you implied, knowing an aircraft's configuration and engine performance coupled with computer simulation can make a good estimate of that), and i am equally sure they would still like to know more if they could get a close up peak at one.

But since there are tons of Chinese engineers running around Pakistan and no American (what about European?) engineers, I guess it is more likely that the PRC got a good look at an F-16 than future possiblity of the US getting a good look at a J-10. So it probably wouldn't happen.

 

[FreeAsia2000]

I don't know if the rumors are true or false, just repeating what someone posted here quite some time ago. However, I wasn't talking about general aircraft layout, which can obviously be derived from published specs and pictures, as you stated.

The more sensitive areas would be avionics and weapons. Would Pakistan have to trash a fighter to let someone have a close look? I think some clever PRC engineers could manage to glean some useful info without destroying any of the onboard systems. I also think that since Taiwan operates similar model F-16s that Pakistan has, the PRC had/has a valid interest in knowing some of its capabilities in regards to radar and AA missle performance--I don't think it too much of a stretch that the PRC would have offered something in return that Pakistan could appreciate. However, I guess it is just a rumor--I certainly have not seen concrete proof of it.

As to the US wanting to get a look at a J-10, well, sure the US has more capable aircraft of it's own, but that is beside the point. It never hurts to know as much as possible about possible foes, or as GI-Joe put it "knowing is half the battle" . But seriously, I think the Pentagon would definitely want to know as much as possible about the the following J-10 (for that matter other PLA aircraft, but since J-10 may go to Pakistan, I will stick to it) systems: radar, RWR, any EW assets onboard, weapons. I am sure they already have a good idea of what threat level the J-10 poses, especially what general aircraft performance concerns (as you implied, knowing an aircraft's configuration and engine performance coupled with computer simulation can make a good estimate of that), and i am equally sure they would still like to know more if they could get a close up peak at one.

But since there are tons of Chinese engineers running around Pakistan and no American (what about European?) engineers, I guess it is more likely that the PRC got a good look at an F-16 than future possiblity of the US getting a good look at a J-10. So it probably wouldn't happen.

walter. serious question, since you've declared that this is a rumour and
you don't have any sources for this is there any reason why you would
post this rumour ?

do you have any information about pakistani security arrangements ? do you know how stringent they are ? the last time a french 'diplomat' decided to get 'lost' near kahuta he was given a damn good hiding because unknown to him the 'farmers' near by working in the fields weren't farmers they were pakistani security personel.

the chances of pakistan supplying the J-10 to any other country without chinese permission are absolute zero. china is a trusted ally. there is no way on earth that pakistan would provide the data to america to do so implies that pakistan would be in desperate need of american help. that help was requested in 1971 and was denied. it was paid for and requested in the late 1980's and once again denied.

As Gunnar said in Njal's saga "To each his own way of earning fame. You shall not be asked again"