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RedMercury

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Perhaps one option they will consider is to have all export versions come with foreign avionics, as mandatory. So the customer selects avionics from available offers (probably European, maybe even American, depending on the customer) but will not get the same avionics as PLAAF J-10s (of course, they can settle for a monkey-model if they choose). By avionics I mean things that are important to keep secret like radar, comm-link, RWR, EW/ECM, navigation(?), and of course, IFF. So the customer can get the latest wiz-gadgetry from Europe to satisfy their requirements and PLAAF can have their secrecy.
 

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article regarding J-10 and canards.
Many are claiming this as the officially unveiling of J-10. I thought that was done already when xinhua started to post J-10 pictures as a new Jian
I will try to translate the relevant parts later
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This is first 4 pages.
 

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the next 4 pages, it's from a magazine called "Weapon knowledge". This is supposed to be for May of 2006.
again, i will try to translate this or maybe someone else can do it?
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Sabre i menat that the JF-17 in the hands of 3rd world countries might be fielded against american f-22's

and would lose terribly. Even for desperate nations, they would not waste their air force against f-22's. If f-15E's started comming in, then the nation might let the jf-17 intercept. Most of the worlds third world countries are far away from america anyways, and the f-22 only has a radius of 400km without extra tanks.
 

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Are you sure about that raptor range? i've seen all sorts of figures thrown around but 400 km combat range is a first. I would trust the 700 km figure, cited in several articles, more.
 

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well yeah, i assume we mean radius when we say combat range, unlike when we say ferry range. so combat radius of at least 700 km. That usually has extra fuel for safey included, plus some 5 or so min loiter time over target, so ferry range is more than double that, probably over 1500 km without external tanks.
 

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petty officer1, you should check the thread before posting these pictures. They are already posted on the previous page of this thread. Also for the Chinese article that you posted in the other thread. Please provide the link for it and also do a summary or a translation.
 

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yep, I just can't leave J-10 alone for more than 2 days, more news from the Pakistani front.
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The interesting part is that PAF has given the designation "FC-20" for J-10 (again, I'm feeling a little suspicious here). And PAF is getting 500 BVR AAMs? Which one? 500 JDAM? Maybe China can make a deal to get one of those JDAM under the table.

Lack of advanced avionics systems and weapns? What the heck is it talking about? KLJ-3's specs are better than that of PS-05. And SD-10 may not be at the level of AMRAAM, but it's certainly no slouch. And unlike Gripen, J-10 has integrated IRST. As shown in JF-17's article, J-10 probably also has missile approach warner system. That's another thing Gripen doesn't have.
ISLAMABAD (April 13 2006): Pakistan will purchase 98 hi-tech aircraft from the United States and China besides missiles and other equipment to improve the capabilities of Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

According to an official document, exclusively obtained by Business Recorder, mixed package of hi-tech aircraft and equipment is being purchased from USA and China are as under:

FC-20 aircraft (36), SD-10 BVR missiles (300), F-16 A/B, ex-Pakistan (26), F-16 C/D (18 with an option for 18 more), BVR, 500(American), targeting pods 18 and joint direct attack munitions (500).

The expenditure on the entire package would be met from PAF share in Armed Forces Development Programme (AFFDP-2019), the document says. The Cabinet, according to the document, has allowed PAF to set up Joint Working Group (JWG) with CATIC for procurement of 36 FC-20 aircraft.

The government would also help PAF in securing long-term credit financing for the FC-20 aircraft from Chinese government, besides allowing PAF to initiate a Letter of Request (LoR) for the F-16 package and equipment through the Defence Ministry.

While elaborating the background, Defence Ministry said that PAF gave a presentation to the President and Prime Minister on the state of present fighter fleet and its various hi-tech aircraft options on March 31, 2006.

At present, PAF's combat fleet consists of around 350 aircraft. The bulk of its inventory comprises old Mirages and Chinese-origin A-5, FT-6 and F-7 aircraft. With the exception of F-7 PGs, most of these aircraft are more than 20 years old and are scheduled to retire between 2008 and 2015.

Foreseeing this retirement schedule and the known difficulties associated with replacing all old aircraft with western equipment, PAF embarked upon the co-development of JF-17 aircraft. The induction of JF-17 has been planned so as to have a systematic replacement of the retired fleet.

Regarding hi-tech capability, PAF has seriously lagged over the years, mainly due to various geo-political and economic constraints. In order to redress this capability deficit, PAF has very carefully evaluated the hi-tech options against well-defined air staff requirements.

The requirement of multi-role aircraft with effective and modern operational capabilities, supportability, maintainability and other factors were thoroughly evaluated during the trials of available hi-tech options. In this regard, three aircraft namely, Chinese FC-20, USF-16 C/D and Swedish Grippen were evaluated.

While the US F-16 C/D and Swedish Grippen qualified against the PAF requirements, the Chinese FC-20, in its present state, lagged behind due to the lack of advanced avionics systems and weapons. For the future, however, PAF termed it as a good option with very promising growth potential to become one of the leading frontline fighters to face the challenges of the 21st century.

Further, due to the high cost of Grippen, the F-16 weapon system, along with air-to-air BVR missiles was considered to be the most suitable option to immediately address the critical capability deficit that PAF has accumulated vis-à-vis IAF.

The document suggests that the President had directed the Defence Ministry to move a summary for the Cabinet directing the Ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs to adopt proactive approach to influence the United States and Chinese Governments for the release of the requisite package.
 

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tphuang said:
yep, I just can't leave J-10 alone for more than 2 days, more news from the Pakistani front.
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The interesting part is that PAF has given the designation "FC-20" for J-10 (again, I'm feeling a little suspicious here). And PAF is getting 500 BVR AAMs? Which one? 500 JDAM? Maybe China can make a deal to get one of those JDAM under the table.

Lack of advanced avionics systems and weapns? What the heck is it talking about? KLJ-3's specs are better than that of PS-05. And SD-10 may not be at the level of AMRAAM, but it's certainly no slouch. And unlike Gripen, J-10 has integrated IRST. As shown in JF-17's article, J-10 probably also has missile approach warner system. That's another thing Gripen doesn't have.

Edited msg:: (I am editing wat i wrote here, cause i just realized some thing, while having a discussion with pshamim at DT) Pakistan may have asked China to introduce J-10 as FC-20 for PAF since the designition F-10 may feel inferior, specially since IAF is interested in F-18s. Pakistan might want to install western Avionics to bring the J-10/F-10/FC-20's avionics capability to par with F-18E/F or equal or close enough. Seems similar issue as Pakistan had with FC-1/JF-17's previous designations of "J-9/F-9 and Super-7" Pakistan felt these names sounded inferior.

Anyways, the numbers given below are wrong. The numbers were discussed and being massed with. The number is not 98 but over 100 and new F-16C/D are over 20. But still not assurance on the numbers as they were being by passed. Because of this the Information minister said "numbers have not been decided." The D&S expert was saying one thing, the finance official was saying another and the PAF official was saying some thing else and even worse PAC official was also there. Debating like kids and going Banana :nana:
They are to sort the number out them selves.

Meanwhile Gripen has been dropped, as u can guess right now (but any thing is possible ;) ) but the idea of 3rd front line fighter is still there and I dnt knw what it is. The only thing abt 3rd fighter is that it will not be purchased soon. May drag it to 2010 to 2015. And offcourse induction will take more time.

Abt the Lack of advance avionics on either J-10 and JF-17. Well the media knws as little as any one on this forum. Perhaps even less. The officials dude have Put J-10 in current possition against F-18 (Dnt knw on what basis). The only ppl in the world who knw J-10's capability right now are in CAC, China's Defence Ministry, PLAAF, PAF, PAC, hand full members of Pak govt, Pak Defence minisrty+D&S-D (all these are part of NCA= National Command Authority) and they are not leaking any information on J-10 avionics. I guess with western avionics, they wil call J-10 better than Gripens. PAC is also buying various avionics from Sweden. Anyways, even in its present condition, J-10 is suprior to any other aircraft in the region, perhaps except the Su-30.

IF J-10 is upgraded with western avionics, i am guessing Radar might be kept Chinese for a time to support SD-10. After that J-10s some might be integrated with Western and some with Chinese, depending on the sqdns.

Q//How are getting the J-10??????
A// The Mirage Boys ....so its an Air-Superiority fighter for PAF.
 
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