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J-10 better watch the new ROC X-wing though
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I got fainted twice looking at this pic!!! what a holy sh*t!!! star war? not only J-10 should be careful but also the F-22 and F-35.
some picture of J-10's canopy, radar absorbant?
well, a lot of rumours here. First surrounding J-10 vs su-30mkk in WVR.
some rumoured figures
internal fuel - 3200 kg
at 33k feet - mach 1.8, can do 6.5 g turns.
another rumoured figure
中国“歼-10”战斗机 AoYtm ]1b:
maximum subsonic static degree of instability? 10
3. 歼十的最大亚声速静不稳定度：10% ^zz7-n.QF
maximum speed at sea level 1450km/hour
4. 海平面大表速：1450KM VM9C\oGk
maximum altitude - > 20 km
5. 升限：大于20000米 aw r+5I
load +9/-3g
6. 正过载：+9G Y!:c(x4-S
7. 负过载：-3G Jn_DBze
under A2A combat load, no control handle maximum AoA? 28 degrees
8. 无顾虑操纵的迎角限制为28°（空战挂载） F- AsY.
low altitude, minimum speed 165 km/hour
9. 低空 小速度限制165公里/小时 6_ E-olfy
J-10 in low altitude, AoA of 22 degree, sharp spiral radius - 480 m
10.歼-10在低空 迎角22°大坡度盘旋半径480米 Ag/ST-uf
instantaneous turn radius? - 302.5 m
11.近似瞬盘半径 = 302.5 米 Xgi \|kg8r
!x>v?g\H
歼-10在近似的角点速度下的近似瞬盘角速度计算：（不许回答： 1、某高度， 2、？个弹） mR@P n\<
at some height, A0oA's speed, 594 km/h
某高度的近似角点速度: 165米/秒 = 594 公里/小时 tCo$Vec8C
used this to get 302.5 as the instantaneous turn radius
(165 * 165）/ 90 = 302.5 = 近似瞬盘半径 Eah[sV%O
11.52 s as the time to turn 360 degrees
(302.5 * 2 * 3.1416) / 165 = 11.52 秒 = 近似一圈时间 NQ( +
31.2 degrees for instantaneous turn rate.
360 / 11.52 = 31.2°= 近似瞬盘角速度 ,]XK 6+mR
well, a lot of rumours here. First surrounding J-10 vs su-30mkk in WVR.
says that before a holiday, J-10 and su-30mkk went 1 on 1 in a WVR. J-10 went from being in emergency state position to good position (I suppose this means from getting chased by mkk to getting behind the butt of mkk) in 10 seconds and mkk lost.
some rumoured figures
twin seater weight - less than 9000 kg
internal fuel - 3200 kg
at 33k feet - mach 1.8, can do 6.5 g turns.
another rumoured figure
中国“歼-10”战斗机 AoYtm ]1b:
maximum subsonic static degree of instability? 10
3. 歼十的最大亚声速静不稳定度：10% ^zz7-n.QF
maximum speed at sea level 1450km/hour
4. 海平面大表速：1450KM VM9C\oGk
maximum altitude - > 20 km
5. 升限：大于20000米 aw r+5I
load +9/-3g
6. 正过载：+9G Y!:c(x4-S
7. 负过载：-3G Jn_DBze
under A2A combat load, no control handle maximum AoA? 28 degrees
8. 无顾虑操纵的迎角限制为28°（空战挂载） F- AsY.
low altitude, minimum speed 165 km/hour
9. 低空 小速度限制165公里/小时 6_ E-olfy
J-10 in low altitude, AoA of 22 degree, sharp spiral radius - 480 m
10.歼-10在低空 迎角22°大坡度盘旋半径480米 Ag/ST-uf
instantaneous turn radius? - 302.5 m
11.近似瞬盘半径 = 302.5 米 Xgi \|kg8r
!x>v?g\H
歼-10在近似的角点速度下的近似瞬盘角速度计算：（不许回答： 1、某高度， 2、？个弹） mR@P n\<
at some height, A0oA's speed, 594 km/h
某高度的近似角点速度: 165米/秒 = 594 公里/小时 tCo$Vec8C
used this to get 302.5 as the instantaneous turn radius
(165 * 165）/ 90 = 302.5 = 近似瞬盘半径 Eah[sV%O
11.52 s as the time to turn 360 degrees
(302.5 * 2 * 3.1416) / 165 = 11.52 秒 = 近似一圈时间 NQ( +
31.2 degrees for instantaneous turn rate.
360 / 11.52 = 31.2°= 近似瞬盘角速度 ,]XK 6+mR
Gold tint has also appeared in the canopies of Su-27s and J-11s, not all, but in many pictures do they.
It may have to do with absorbing radar to reduce RCS, but there may also be a health reason behind it. I don't think pilots will be healthy if they are subjected to the radiation of fighter radar from another fighter, even in exercises, like when two planes are trying to lock on to each other.
WS stands for Wushan I think, as oppose to WP or Wopen.
It may have to do with absorbing radar to reduce RCS, but there may also be a health reason behind it. I don't think pilots will be healthy if they are subjected to the radiation of fighter radar from another fighter, even in exercises, like when two planes are trying to lock on to each other.
WS stands for Wushan I think, as oppose to WP or Wopen.
Not sure if I'm nitpicking now or didn't understand you correct. I always thought that thin gold layer on the canopies was there to deflect incoming radar waves in all directions. But not to let them through the canopy where those rdr-waves would hit the ejection seat wich is a rather good rdr reflector.
Never heard that there's actually RAM on the canopies, especially gold won't absorb radar anyway.
Golden canopies seem to be pretty standart lately.
My understanding of that point was that the gold layer on the canopy scatters the rdr waves instead of letting them pass, being reflected by the ejection seat, pilot helm and displays back to the transmitter in a bundled fashion. Wich I think is worse than deflecting it. But there seem to have been improvements in recent years. It's possible to use ferrites in "iron ball paint" to absorb rdr, though I'm not sure if it's transparent.
One thing I came across in that direction (F-16 canopy) was "indium-tin-oxide". It's transparent in very thin layers but yellowish to grey when thicker. And it's main feature is to combine electrical conductivity and transparency within certain limits. With tphuangs photos (greyish canopy) I could imagine that.
BTW, 10sec to get from a "being chased" into a "chase position", as tphuang quoted, wouldn't that be rather fast against a Su-30? Well on the other hand 10s can be pretty long in a dogfight. How long does such a manuever take "normally"?
One thing I came across in that direction (F-16 canopy) was "indium-tin-oxide". It's transparent in very thin layers but yellowish to grey when thicker. And it's main feature is to combine electrical conductivity and transparency within certain limits. With tphuangs photos (greyish canopy) I could imagine that.
BTW, 10sec to get from a "being chased" into a "chase position", as tphuang quoted, wouldn't that be rather fast against a Su-30? Well on the other hand 10s can be pretty long in a dogfight. How long does such a manuever take "normally"?
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