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Got this from Dylan in the CDF. It is from ET Today, Taiwan news site. Coding is Chinese Traditional.


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「梟龍」戰機全武裝逼近馬祖附近海域 動機不尋常
2006/12/20 11:32
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「梟龍」戰機全武裝逼近馬祖附近海域 動機不尋常
2006/12/20 11:32
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中共最新式的戰機,也就是代號為「梟龍」的殲十型戰機,前幾天以全副武裝的姿態出海測試,飛行航線還一度接近馬祖北方約50海浬,引起我方情報單位的注意,因為他們的目的是想獲取天弓飛彈的雷達參數。


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中共空軍代號「梟龍」的殲十型戰機,是被中共寄予厚望的新世代戰機,前幾天出海進行測試,而且還一度接近馬祖北方約50海浬,由於這架殲十型戰機是以全副武裝的姿態出海,對一架測試中的戰機來說相當不尋常。

殲十戰機自從在今年9月首次公開後,這兩個月又被共軍列為最高機密,一舉一動全都被嚴密管制;據情報單位指出,這次殲十戰機除了例行性的海上測試之外,還負有記錄國軍東引島上天弓飛彈的雷達參數的任務,因為在同一個空域也出現了中共最近才向俄羅斯租借的A50型電戰機。

雖然殲十是中共最新式的戰機,但軍方人士對它的性能仍持保留態度,最主要的原因是,這種戰機使用太多非中共自製的零組件,影響到飛機的妥善率,短期內並不會威脅到台灣。



Basically now reports sightings of full armed J-10s approaching Matsu from 50 nautical miles in an attempt to coax Taiwan defense radars to light up and reveal their range.

Thats interesting to know, since J-10s never appeared this close and over the Taiwan straits before. So they have begun to rear their heads in their area.

J-10s can only come from the 3rd Division I presume, which is the closest, and planes from this division, previously Su-27s and MKKs, had been reported playing teasing and harassment tactics, including one purported mock intercept of Taiwan presidential plane.
 

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crobato...If you or someone could translate that FULL story into English I would appericate that very much!

Thanks!:)
 

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crobato...If you or someone could translate that FULL story into English I would appericate that very much!

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hey Gerry, I think Crobato pretty much translated it.
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this is interesting, J-10 won the award for national technology improvement special award. Only one project wins this per year.

J-10 won for 2005, DF-31 won for 2004 and project 921 (the manned space program) won for 2003.
 

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This is a Google translation of something that was posted in CDF by Xinhui:




Editor's Note : "World Vision" magazine in January 2006. "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported that China is improving the F-10 fighter news will be improved as the latest F-10 "Super 10." Chinese media have triggered the foreign military reported another wave of F-10 fighters. To meet the wide enthusiastic readers are concerned about China's defense modernization, Our special review of the foreign media reports of the latest F-10. Our not agree with their views, nor confirmed reports, reference purposes only interested readers. I reviewed along editorial "Super 10" to bring out the UK's "Jane's Defense Weekly" on January 11, 2006 issued by the Moscow Defense Brief entitled Henry Ivanov wrote : China Develops "Super 10 a" sophisticated fighters article. Author Henry Ivanov said, according to reliable sources in the Moscow area. China's Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CAC) is developing an upgraded version of the F-10 multi-purpose fighter plane, known as "a super 10", it is all the more powerful engine, thrust vector control technology even stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar. China has been contracted to provide technical assistance in the design of the Russian MiG aircraft experts that One of the F-10 fighters, upgrading is a logical corollary, Israel initially wanted to adopt because China, "David lion," Putin fighters used a preferential PW1120 engines. One of the F-10 fighters as a basic configuration. However, U.S. restrictions on exports of China's decision to force the mandatory installation of a 20% increase in the weight of Russian AL-31FN engine. This needs a larger engine inlet, because it needs the 40% increase in the intake air. F-10 fighter originally planned to install the "metastable phase accelerator" Radio Research Corporation (Phazotron-State Scientific ResearchInstitute of Radio, listed NIIR) RP production of a 35 "pearl" (Zhemchug) Mechanical scanning plate joints array radar. This improved version of MiG-29 fighter planes equipped with radar from the N010 "beetle" (deported) developed from a series of radar. Although Russia has provided China with three of this type of radar. China and the relevant agencies to help develop the F-10 fighters, a fire control system, but so far, China has yet to be NIIR additional orders. The company's leadership said that the "pearl" radar can not be imitation. It was not because the designers of some key components, such as the Russian-made chips all can not be imitation. However, Another Russian manufacturer of the radar equipment companies -- Tikhomirov mechanical design bureau research center (NIIP). Recently, it has developed an improved start to cooperate with China since the "feathers" (Pero) Passive airborne phased array radar systems. The company said that as early as the late 1990s. China provided they had a "feathered" Improved radar prototype, but after a short test, It has not been used until recently the company's cooperation with China will resume the project. "Feathers" passive phased-array radar was initially developed for the multi-purpose fighter Su -30KN. However, the plan was eventually canceled fighters. Have every reason to believe that the "feathers" may serve as the pilot super-models. Tikhomirov Machinery Design Bureau, the research center has conducted an internal projects before January 1 to reduce the size of the "feathers" radar. for a MIG-29 fighter development. Super 10 appearance of a similar size and Mig-29, therefore, "feathers" on the radar slight changes can be fully installed in a Super 10 last. Toward the end of the year 2005, China signed a 300 million U.S. dollars worth of orders order for a second batch of AL-31FN engines. It is equipped with Su-27 fighters to meet the vertical tail wing single-engine fighter engine from the need to develop improved. Initially, the engine and that the procurement contract for 2001-2002. One of the F-10 prototype has been installed and initial production batch of 54 aircraft in the first batch of the same engine. However, a 31FN AL manufacturers Moscow "97" machine factory in December 2005 revealed that The AL is ordering a hand-31FN M1 engine. AL reported a 3 1FN is a new improved engine models. The company's general manager, Yuri - Eliseyev said. AL 31FN M1 engine is a new type of "one China Super 10 fighters," a specially designed. The four-engine "97" factory assembly. One engine ignition test has been conducted. Vector vents in its full power and the nature of the state can thrust levels rotation. Eliseyev, AL 31FN M1 engine with a previous models, It carries a size bigger fans from the original inlet diameter 902 mm to 924 mm. Engine intake air to the increase from approximately 122.6 kN thrust typical of the largest rose to 132.4 kN. Vector, the engine nozzle machinery factory in Moscow and in St. Petersburg, the Klimov plant Zavodimeni Klimova jointly developed. Eliseyev, compared with a particular angle nozzle design, This new type of vector nozzle, "applicable" in the single-engine fighter. still at a very low rate so they had full control. "Jane's Defense Weekly," the report said. AL-31FN latest N1-thrust vector engine is a "super one 10" fighters in the most crucial components, It will provide "a super 10" strong post-stall maneuver, and can significantly increase their take-off and landing performance. Thrust Vectoring technology used aircraft nozzle deflection through the use of the engine thrust, torque control is unnecessary. achieving the attitude control. Can assure that in the low-speed aircraft. Flying high angle of attack maneuver and manipulate almost rudder failure to use the additional thrust vector control motor torque control of the aircraft. Fourth-generation fighter aircraft required to have post-stall maneuver capabilities, which is a large range of mobility. Precisely the thrust vector technology can provide this capability, is the fourth-generation fighter tactics, the technical requirements necessary choice. As an aircraft equipped with thrust vectoring technology is a post-stall maneuver, has great advantage. The use of thrust-vectoring aircraft technology greatly enhance their mobility, but also unprecedented short distance and landings, This is because the use of the technology thrust vector aircraft in the super-circulation lift lift and thrust direction favorable to reduce the weight of aircraft to and from the ground speed shorten the distance between aircraft roll. In addition, because it is easy to realize the thrust reverse thrust-vectoring nozzle, after the aircraft landed in the braking force has also improved significantly. thus shortening the distance to the landing roll. Back in June 2001. "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported that China bought from Russia on a 31FN engine AL news "Jane defense," claimed that the Russian "97" production research center to authoritative sources. Russia and China have signed a formal contract to sell engines. Moscow "97" machine factory in China with a new engine, This model is a 31FN AL series. Russia claims that this cooperation will begin in 2003. China will produce a total of 300 AL 31FN turbofan engine. production technology transfer negotiations still in progress. Report stressed that in order to meet China's demands, "97" AL 31FN one of the major technological improvements, The first is to extend engine life, the life AL-31F/FN series engine regulations. Overhaul time 90 hours; Also for the F-10 fighter plane is a size Russian technical personnel in cooperation with the technical staff of engine changes. Transmissions include mobile position, the transmission 31F AL a top position in the engine. Transmission is a move to the F-10 engine AL-31FN below. The changes include shortening the length size. Despite the reduced size of these improvements, but does not reduce engine power. And in 2001-2005 before 2002. Moscow, "97" has provided a machinery factory in Taiwan and Africa 54 series engine thrust-vectoring AL a 31F. It is believed that the CEC has successfully negotiated a production from Russia AL-3l engine permits. Russia's Business Daily also confirmed on the "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported by the end of 2005. China and Russia signed 3{L dollar value of the engine procurement contracts. Russia's Business Daily reported, Russian Defense domestic exports (Rosoboroneksport) and China signed an export thrust vectoring engine contract Moscow "97" production machinery production, the total contract value of 300 million U.S. dollars. engine will be installed on the production in China of new fighters. "Salyut" Yuri Ailisilifu machinery factory CEO said in an interview with Business Daily : "This is the latest we have signed a contract with China. We will deliver 100 AL China 3lFN one engine total more than 300 million U.S. dollars. These engines are not used in the production of Russian fighters. but China's own development of the fighter. This contract will expand our areas of cooperation with China. no longer confined only to 'Soviet Union' series fighter engines. According to Russia's "Supreme Soviet communique," reported that Rosboronexport this transaction is the largest company of a 2005 arms deals. Lyulka "Saturn" research and production of the Commonwealth AL 31F turbofan engine is a modern Russian fighter's main engine. Design work began a 31 AL 1963. The first prototype engine test in 1974. AL is a 31F Lyulka developed by the Design Council in the 1976-1985 period thread-turbofan engine. had encountered great difficulties in the development of China. First overweight. The original design of a four-level engine fans 12 levels of high pressure compressor, high-pressure turbines and two two-level trough of low pressure turbine total of 20 grade level. Results engine overweight. reached 1,600 kg and a maximum thrust of 110 kN, alone, had to be polished. The improved program fans still level, but was reduced to nine high-level compressor, a high level of the low-pressure turbine, the total dropped to 15 class series, in 1976 dropped to 1,520 kg in weight, but many fault. Failure to remove the weight there, increased by about 10%. use every award five kilograms of weight on one wage, reduce the 70 kg, achieve its original goal weight. Second, the design of turbine efficiency lower than 4%. later decided to accept this reality. However, in order to achieve performance had to raise the temperature of turbine from 1,350 to 1,392 degrees centigrade. Results turbine blade cracks this improved the cooling circuit, the circuit is very complex, using a swirl cooling, using a new technology and better materials, surface cobalt, nickel, chromium, aluminum coatings. this had to replace five leading. in the 1976-1985 period, resolved a total of 685 problems. Design of a 31F AL won 128 patents, using 51 engines. Total operating 22,900 hours, 16,625 hours of bench test, the test flight of 6,275 hours. 1986. an installation of a two AL 31F engine P-42 aircraft (Su-27 prototype of a modified) to create a high record of 32 hours. AL 3lF a weight of about 1,740 kilograms engine. use structure with variable inlet guide blade bending of the turbofan engine, imports 23 Blade films, After adjustment tablet fixed geopolitical front, leaves from the No. 7 on the Richter Scale Air Compressor structure of the de-icing, four All-titanium alloy fans. with a long string of three former Blades in the shoulder blade vibration, compression ratio of 3.6, 0.6.9-level high pressure compressor over the culvert. compression ratio of 6.6, the total pressure ratio of 23, annular combustor, and high single-level low-pressure turbine, turbine temperature 1665K. Engine air flow of 112 kg / s, the military 76.2 kN thrust. 122.55 kN thrust biggest attraction. consumption was 0.0695 kg / cow / hour, Intensified oil consumption 0.198 kg / cow / hour. AL-31FN The outstanding performance of the Sukhoi aircraft engine proved very excellent work of this stability the adaptability of the adverse working conditions, it can "Cobra" of the more than 90-degree angle of attack under normal work "Falun mobility" 360-degree rotation of the inlet conditions are bad extreme, AL 31F engines and have a perfect performance. A Series 31 engine AL AL is one of the latest models 31FN TVC (thrust vector control) turbofan engines. 27 from the Soviet Union installed a one 31F AL improved from a new two - spool turbofan engine. It is also the world's first supersonic jet engine with thrust-vectoring nozzle. was born in the years 1992-1994. It is a thread after combustion engine, significantly improve fuel economy. Su-37 equipped with a two AL 31FN a TVC (thrust vector control) turbofan engines. The modular engine design Afterburner with 260,500 83.36 kN thrust engine for use Afterburning largest 142 kN thrust. Adjustable end vents, +15 15 degree tilt the next one. Thrust vector control several full access to the flight control system was integrated. Two engine thrust vector control nozzle end in under two pairs of hydraulic devices can be synchronous and asynchronous deflection. Thrust vector control is no speed limit near-zero angle of allowing mobile manipulation Driver to be dedicated to handle lateral to be controlled manually or automatic flight control operations. performance of a Su-37 fighter on a new super mobile two-way and the full authority digital engine thrust vector control system of X-by-wire flight. allow almost any aircraft from the height of stall and spin state -- a rapid recovery. After more than 20 years of mass production (the period has not undergone great improvement). 2 1 beginning of the 20th century, AL 31F turbofan engine has a modernization and improvement. The project involves two companies : a design bureau Lyulka Saturn (NPO Saturn, a subsidiary of the Group) and Moscow "97" machine factory (MMPP Salut), the Design Bureau KBPR. In two projects, "97" factory in the Moscow Air Show 2003 to display some of the details of the new engine. Therefore the objective of the project is relatively clear. AL 31F engine of a modernization and improvement project is divided into three phases. 3lF-M1 were named as a first AL. M2 and M3. Later, in order to avoid infringing the intellectual property rights group NPO Saturn. "97" works by deleting "one AL 31" prefix. accept the first phase of upgrading the engine in the Soviet Union, a 27 37-11 "595" aircraft for the flight test. first flight was on January 25, 2003. After another 20 flight tests. Flight Envelope for research in certain key points within the engine stability. The first phase of the project including the installation of a new escalation of the increased diameter of a 924-4 KND-pressure compressor (KND Russian acronym for the low-pressure compressor, 924 of the diameter, mm, 4 for 4) and 235 SAU a digital control system. "97" claimed that the new plant control system and reliability of the old system, three times the weight savings of 40 kg. Thrust new compressor so that the largest non-typical from the 81.49 to 75.21 kN kN. Thrust from the biggest attraction of 129.80 to 122.58 kN kN. However, the engine weight slightly to 1,557 kilograms from 1,547 kg. During the second phase of modernization and improvement, adoption of new turbine cooling systems. So can compare to further refining kN thrust. In the third phase, the introduction of a new, Wide chord leaves fans with three levels (low pressure compressor). Entitled KND fans used a 924-3 overall blade disk technology, Compared with the old fans have a greater level of pressure ratio and higher efficiency. Fan was a 2003 Moscow Air Show KND-924-3 made publicly displayed for the first time. According to "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported that F-10 fighter originally planned to install a "metastable phase accelerator" Research Corporation radio production "pearl" mechanical scanning plate joints array radar, Such a MiG-29 fighter planes equipped with radar from the "bug" developed from a series of radar. Although Russia has provided China with three of this type of radar. China and the relevant agencies to help develop the F-10 fighters, fire control system. But "metastable phase accelerator" radio Institute of the Chinese joint-stock companies and not the additional orders. Meanwhile, Tikhomirov Machinery Design Bureau, the research center said. It has recently re-started cooperation with China, the development of the "feathers" passive phased-array radar, the company said. Back in the late 1990s, they have provided a modified China in the "feathers" radar. But after a short period of testing, it has not been used. Until recently the company's cooperation with China will resume the project. Therefore, At present, "a super 10" models are not yet using the radar. N010 "beetle" is an X-band radar (8-12.5GHZ) multifunctional Doppler radar. This is the first radar for the 29th MiG fighter development. in the early 1990s, the MiG-29M fighter prototype, a flight experiment conducted onboard. "beetle" radar compatible weapons : Kh-31A, R-27Rl, R 27T1. R 37E and RW-AE missiles. new models of "bug" radar, such as "covering one F" type, 200 km away in the area of 5 square meters to detect radar reflectivity of the target detection range of plus or minus 70 degrees. can track 24 targets and attacks on the eight goals. Under different models. Radar weighing between 300 kg to 180 kg. "beetle" adopted a series of radar detection capabilities embedded, Air space within a space model and the standard model to a sophisticated and reliable mode of operation is as follows : 15 on the air : as a space /-down search capability; track-while-scan search capabilities (Tws) can track 10 targets and hit the four (multi-target capability). Air Combat mode : vertical search; head-up displays search; wide-angle search; low-altitude flying in the airspace under the automatic terrain avoidance and the ability to accurately aim. to a space : Real-time imaging beam scanning surface; Doppler beam sharpening; Synthetic Aperture mapping; hit targets more than four goals against; activities on the ground target tracking and upgrading of air-finding and navigational instructions functional capacity. In late 2001 and early 2002. "beetle" added the family "a 8-II beetles", "a 27 beetles." "I beetles F" and "M beetles a" derivative members of this new series. One is the F-8IIM respectively. Su, 27, Mig-23s. Improved development of the MiG-29 aircraft and other derivative models. Among them, "an M beetles" using a diameter of 680 mm plate trough array (or planar slot array antenna). The system consists of one signal receiver, one advanced digital controller, and one data signal processor, one synchronizer, one radar power supply devices, one radar radiator. Forming one television transmitters and modules. Compared to earlier versions, "M beetles a" adopted "Bajiyete" computer processor to replace the original baseline radar C.90 processing units. The model has greatly broadened the scope of its open space : beam imaging including scanning the ground, fixed ground target detection, target instruction activities on the ground (MTI). Doppler Beam Sharpening and terrain avoidance. The latest models of "bug" radar features : As on / under the scanner as a warning of a search and tracking up to 10 targets and at the same time with four goals war ( "8 1 1 beetles II," with only two goals while fighting); vertical search; gaining ground search screen; large field of search; automatic terrain avoidance function of low-altitude operations; topographic mapping real-time transmission; Doppler Beam Sharpening; Synthetic aperture; image zooming and freeze function; 4/b while tracking; ground moving target instruction / tracing instrument; upgrading of the air-to-surface search and navigation system. According to "Jane's Defense Yearbook" report, People's Republic of China was founded in June 2001 by ordering 100 "1 8 1 beetles II" radar prototype for one of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force's F-8II for refurbishing the airborne radar. Moreover, PLA Su-30MKK also equipped with the "M-S beetles a" radar. Suker, as a member of the family, Suker MF has been chosen as the Russian Federation, a fifth-generation advanced airborne radar planes, one candidate. "metastable phase accelerator," the radio company's shares Institute RP a 35 "pearl" with digital fire control radar is a phased array sensors and electronic scanning of the X-band radar antenna. It has a liquid cooling TWT transmitters one incentive amplifier, l Department of microwave receiver and a three-channel programmable signal and data processors Department. "pearl" radar control key parts of the aircraft have been integrated into the switch and the throttle control lever. Radar data show-down screen and in regard to stem single combat. The type of air-to-ground radar to enhance performance. and compatible with a wide variety of Russian-made air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions. U.S. "Air Force Monthly", "pearl" radar detection range of 160 km. can track and attack targets in the 10-15 4-6 months. Sources have indicated that Israel is trying to sell the ELTA EL/M-2035 type of airborne fire control radar production. However, as previously occurred in the United States to ban the sale of Israeli planes, the Israel is undoubtedly the production of airborne fire control radar which can not be used for the Chinese Goddess of fighters. and "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported. They said the news from the Russian military circles. October 2005 China sent a 12-member delegation to visit Russia Acceptance is the main task of "pearl" radar. Jane's news, This year, China will receive 20 sets of similar radar systems. Tikhomirov Machinery Design Bureau, the research center for the "feathers" passive phased-array radar with tracking 15 targets while firing eight goals, will significantly increase the target tracking distance. Because TKS equipped with a 2 (R098) encrypted data chain as many as 16 F-27 fighters be integrated into the Soviet Union one of a cluster use. "feathers" make unbelievable in a phased-array radar tracking more on the distance from the target. and target messages to the other fighter. so they can be hidden to meet the enemy. "feathers" with radar from the "bug" radar same electrical interface and power consumption. However, weighs only 85 kg, 30 kilograms of weight savings. F-10 fighter on a foreign military media types of derivatives has been reported. on the F-10 carrier is a particular type of coverage. "world security" magazine. China plans to develop new types of Navy fighter-called J-1 10C. It was reported that A twin-engined hope that the Chinese Navy carrier-based aircraft equipment. Therefore, the F-10 is likely to reconsider a design. Western media have also reported the author. said that the F-10 is a carrier-based aircraft modifications, carrier-based F-10 will become a future Chinese Navy's main carrier-based aircraft unit. Richard prominent American conservatives. Fischer wrote in the ((2005 : The turning point in China's ambitious carrier, "the article claimed that China intends to purchase an AL-31FN engine thrust vector. China's gross domestic product is used to improve one of the F-10 fighter. The purpose is to improve speculate China fighters for the F-10 aircraft carrier, a carrier-based aircraft. thrust vectoring engine will allow for a lower landing speed After grounding but also more rapid in the case were parading around. Meanwhile, Western media have said the F-10 aircraft carried a modified facing two problems, first of all, One of the F-10 landing gear must step up the intensity, carrier-based aircraft in the moment, Before landing gear must be under tremendous impact. and the F-10 used a belly Inlet. Before landing gear located below the inlet, is not connected with the fuselage components for power. Therefore, unbearable moment when fear of the impact. a modified F-10 carrier to be resolved before the strength of the landing gear. Fischer pointed out that "the F-10 needs to make a real change. especially landings device "; Second, the F-10 is a single light fighter, the Air Force can accept a single fighter. But as aircraft carriers. Single obviously inadequate security protection. Therefore carrier-based F-10 may have a double switch design. from single to double. coupled with improved landing gear, which means that the design of the F-10 program almost to be replaced by one. Therefore, "world security" magazine, pointed out that considering the Navy's fighter aircraft procurement is limited. A double-carrier-based F-10 program is undoubtedly the most cost-efficient than the poor. Chinese navy this more inclined to use a Russian Su-33. Fischer also pointed out that "China will purchase Su-33 fighter : : If successfully purchased, the Su-33 will bring to China a platform for a better, can be better applied to more complicated and very dangerous attack training mission.
 
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How in the world are they going to fit two AL-31F next to each other without completely designing a new airframe...
 

ikaleem

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The airframe in the pictures does it not look like the Euro Fighter. How large is AL31F engine as compared to the engines in Typhoon
 

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EJ 200 is about 4m long and weights around 1t (with AB), front diameter is 74cm.
AL-31F is 4,95m long and weights 1,5t (with AB), front diameter 90cm, max diameter 1,2m.

So far I can't remember any example in recent history where anyone just added an engine to an aircraft. So I think they have to do a "little" design work to the airframe, too.
With a second engine the J-10 would have an impressiv T:W ratio.
 

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The J-14 design is based on J-10 with dual engine, TVC and stealth features:

I think that J-14 and Super-10 are the same plane.

If it's true, it's possible that China will develop J-14 as fifth generation carrier-based fighter and J-13 fifth generation land based fighter.
 

clarkliu

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J-10...has to some improvement:
1. stealth ability
2. data link
3. anti-stealth
4. shorter takeoff distance
 
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